i knew you knew. i was just teasing you. 
<3 swapped to the tbc retired warrior to post, LETS GO FRESH SERVERS
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one reason people want fresh is because blizz put no effort into banning gold buyers and botters. maybe if they did that fresh wouldn’t be so needed.
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You really are fighting this, like every single day. I admire your persistence.
There are plenty of people that want new servers, but I assume you know that since you lurk here often.
this is 100% the reason i want fresh. at least give me a few months of a decent economy.
i quit classic after bwl and id rather not start months behind because the 15 dollar botter/farmer subs were more important than maintaining the game. the 58 boost seems like a money grab and what the people really want is a few fresh realms
when tbc launched in 07, a few fresh realms were created, can we lop the fresh realms in with the #nochanges movement
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That is a problem. It is always a problem no matter what era of WoW we are in.
I feel that Classic WoW with #nochanges turned out to be a social experiment. We now see those results. They abused the knowledge of these untouched changes (that were changed later for good reason), leaving us with Mages that power level, bots AoE farming dungeons, boosting people afking, or boosting more mages to farm dungeons, etc.
GDKPs became wildfire popular (I never seen them in Retail from Vanilla-Legion at all. I saw guilds selling achievements/mounts but that was it.)
These GDKPs and boosts encouraged gold buying. Raid drops being sold for absurd amounts. A Naxx sword sold for an equivalent of $3,500 USD.
Those results of leaving some things that needed to be changed, unchanged results in a Classic we no longer know.
Those accounts and people who intentionally abused #wartsandall can keep their ‘progress’ on their mains. They can keep their bought gold and their mage boosting empire. I want to leave that behind as TBC and developer made changes won’t make some of that possible anymore.
But I think we’re all hopeful, for all servers, that they do crack down on gold farming/selling/buying much harder this time around.
I’m a bit surprised they aren’t launching a few fresh TBC servers per region. There is a good chance they will since a lot of people are voicing interest, but I don’t think they should be available until launch, not added in the pre-patch.
People who want fresh just want to become the new “owners” of the AH. They are the ones that saw what people did in Classic and want to do that same thing.
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Cool! Source? Examples?
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There is also the possibility that some of those who demand fresh servers just want to have another shot at a getting a certain Achievement which provides a certain mount. Something impossible to do on a dead server because it has already been completed.
Or, you know…we want it because we genuinely enjoy starting over, having a new adventure, meeting new people and having new experiences. Oh we also enjoy the game.
Imagine people wanting something different than what you want. What a terrible thing. Let’s just make up fabricated excuses for their intentions instead of acknowledging they prefer something we don’t.
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I work too hard on the toons that I have now, I do not want to have to redo them all to level 1 to 60 again.
Are you saying all these people want fresh servers for bc just to get Scarab Lord?!? Did I read that right?!
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You don’t have to. No one is asking that everyone has to start over. They are asking that some new servers get created so they can start from level 1 again when TBC is released.
I very much doubt this is the sole motivation.
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There’s a poll on the front page of the tbc subreddit. Fresh is by a large margin the most common answer to the poll. Would fresh be perfect? No. Does it have to be perfect? No. Let people have a few fresh servers. If you’re so confident that it won’t work out for them then feel free to never make a character on those fresh servers. I don’t understand why these people think there’s some sort of opportunity cost. As if Blizz making a few fresh servers is going to ruin the lives of people who want to stay on progression. It literally won’t affect you.
This type of behavior honestly kind of comes off as kind of psycho. Its like saying “you want something that I don’t want therefore I’m going to come up with the schitzo conclusion that it must just be a few people engaged in some sort of conspiracy.”
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Actually progression was already done in the retail game. One of the primary motivations of players who wanted Classic is/was to have Vanilla WoW frozen in time forever (lots of people like Vanilla WoW).
Progression from Classic --> is something that already happened. If you missed it the first time, I can understand why you might want to experience it.
Personally, I’ve been there, done that, got the “T” shirt and I’m glad to have old Azeroth back as it originally was.
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Sorry, I forgot “some of those” in that statement. For the most part, I stand by my much earlier comment in regards to why some want fresh servers to go with more than the immediately previous one that it’s more about doing everything new, either because of friends or economy, or similar.
Now I don’t speak for everyone but If I was a betting man I’d say that 99.9% of people are completely fine with the server opening up with AQ gates already opened, and most would prefer it as to deter those only interested in that.
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He wouldn’t be.
He doesn’t want people to have options to get away from servers that for the last year have been filled with gold buyers, mafias, bots, fly hackers, AH scripters, and layer abusers hoarding gold/items and have been preparing alts/professions/mats for a TBC release for the last ~8 months.
He knows where people will go if given an option.
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