Its almost entirely the private server community, and they are loud.
I would agree to go to a dead server, if they shut down transfers and boosts for atleast 6 months.
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What fresh you talking about? New server added to the pool is expected, they said they want to launch tbc first then look at that later
New server with restrictions to transfers, pvp, and phases is a whole different story.
What is the “fresh” that ppl demand, I am confused.
They want a brand new TBC server without allowing any external interference. To play there, you have to start over and make a new character.
This they believe would prevent the server from ending up like the existing servers.
Was that possible in 2007 tbc? If not this is a brand new game mode.
That sounds crazy on its own. Blizzard will have two disconnected tbc “versions”. They will maintain two arena ladders, two BG pool, two separate communities of the same game
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All I want is for my server to not be 99% Horde. We need server merges for these low-pop and medium realms that have an outstanding imbalance of factions.
This is a bad approach to logic lol. The only reason servers are stable and all now is because so many people quit/transferred off bigger servers.
People complain constantly about economy/lotus farming/bots/etc. yet you seem to think that the answer is to have all the people who quit yet want to play TBC come back to these already badly, piss poor managed, over inflated cesspools? What would that solve?
The ONLY reason people are so against fresh servers is because they are worried their servers may lose too many people and take away from them. What you obviously don’t get is that many of the people asking for fresh are not vanilla players. They don’t want to come into TBC 2 years behind you hoarders trying to play catch up to an insanely over inflated market that they have no hope of getting things they need out of.
What blizzard should do is merge some of these extreme low pop servers and add in a few fresh. What you do is your business but just like we have no right to tell you what to enjoy, you have no right to tell us “you have to conform” because that’ll never happen. Have fun with your boosted gold and what not. We don’t care.
Blizzard did open new servers for TBC that didn’t allow transfers to it temporarily, I believe.
That makes sense. I have high hope they do it this time.
Servers are not stable even in Medium servers. High population in the capitals or in any zone (Orgrimmar / Stormwind during Zone-wide buff, STV during Zandalar).
That is not the point.
People will complain forever about everything.
It is not being against it, it is actually looking at this idea and looking into past situations where they released such realms and they became dead within couple months.
What blizzard will do is release TBC with the existing realms, and ready to open new realms in case TBC becomes a huge success. Like in 2007, they had to open so many new realms. Perhaps one of them could be fresh, but due to the current situation I just explained, they might open new realms to let people transfer from existing ones to remove the pressure of the amount of players there.
If you watched the Q&A, it is perfectly clear that any thought on “fresh release” will only happen after a very successful and stable lodge of TBC.
I’ll have lots of fun with the gold I’ve got. It took me some time to get it, and it was through legit gameplay. I can only be sorry for you if you didn’t invest part of your time on it or you couldn’t cut it out.
We who? Do you speak on behalf of who? Nobody as far as I can tell.
They opened so many realms back then, because they had no idea that would be so huge success. I remember because for days we had several hours in queue to login, until they opened couple of dozen realms allowing free-transfer and few fresh realms (which you could even bang the gong!).
Also unlike with launch, Classic didn’t open servers endlessly to account for the population spike because they knew it wouldn’t last, and we still have dead servers.
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Did the watch the Q&A. The statement made was that there would be no new classic servers. Question then is, classic = vanilla or classic = vanilla & TBC.
Didn’t play vanilla. Hence the reason I want fresh.
Hate to tell you but they opened many servers a month before TBC launch originally. They were not opening servers simply for population control (which did happen on the highest pop realms) they opened them because they had to lock realms even before TBC launched.
You can’t look at one situation and say that’s the same for everything. There are a lot of people who have zero interest in vanilla and were just waiting for TBC. Just as there are those people who will say they are staying in vanilla and not going to TBC.
Okay. That explains why you want a fresh server. You want to have your chance to be with the herd and be wealthy.
it is always about being wealthy. Thanks for proving the point.
So buy a boost.
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Or he would like to attempt to mitigate playing with toxic elitists who are obsessed with min/maxing being as it’s likely they already have played through classic and have t3 ready until ssc and thunderfury until sunwell:)
As well as having a couple months before the economy is completely ravaged by gold farmers
You replace T3 with T4.
You use thunderfury for trash mobs in certain dungeons, otherwise Mallet of Tides is already better.
I closed TBC without having a tank with thundefury (our mt in late game was one of our healers that rerolled).
People can get through without so many lame excuses. They just need to go and play.
You act as if there aren’t players who skipped Classic who are going to be playing Classic TBC with this mindset. I know of three alone in my friend group.
Yeah, and you still won’t see any benefit since you’ll be broke regardless. And it won’t even take a few months.
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You can see Kungen using Thunderfury in BT so as knowledgeable as you are, I’m going to trust that he’s a better source.
I didn’t know there were 8 pieces of t4!
Being as there were 8 t3 pieces I’m sure you’re aware you could double dip and get 4 set bonuses 2 from t3 and 2 from t4. But I’m sure you can math just fine!
And I don’t need an excuse not to play classic… I’m of the opinion that the game is a hot pile of garbage and I’d rather watch grass grow:) but I would like to play BC and it seems if you’re active on forums which, oh boy I know you are! That you’re aware there’s a substantial amount of people who share that idea, don’t worry I’m not speaking for them I’m just using my common sense and ability to perceive what’s going on around the community 
We’re going to have to see if it lasts that long - and solely for AoE threat - or if it’s going to be replaced by weapons that provide better stats and threat.
The change from % based stats (crit, hit, etc) to raw ratings hurts T3 a fair bit. I’ve hard Neltharion’s Tear for a Warlock is still very very good, but that’s a fringe case. T3 will be replaced by T4 in the end - by both tier pieces and gear that drops in that content. The raw stat gains alone will pretty much completely negate any solid T3 2p/4p bonuses.
But way to be condescending when you have no idea what you’re talking about.
The, “substantial amount” of people won’t just not play if they don’t get fresh, and anyone who does clearly didn’t want to play very much anyway.
Fresh servers are virtually always low pop, even at the start. There’s just not that many who want to start from scratch who didn’t play prior.
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I know of three-hundred thousand alone in my friend group who aren’t like that so I guess it equals out…