waaaaaat. i need to start doiing these i have like 16 keys.
Delves aren’t balanced at all
So it would be unfair to favor certain specs for a giant loot advantage
I agree with your post, but just wanna add that those are most likely not 20 years olds, and more likely they are whole ~30-60 year old adults with kids and stuff. Sad but true.
While it’s true that T8 delves awarding 603 gear is a little disproportionate to their level of difficulty it’s also the full extend of it because delves themselves do not provide enough valorstones or crests to upgrade that gear any further. I have also done dozens of T8 delves and have yet to get a single bountiful map and the 3 slots in the Great Vault of Disappointment you get each week do not even guarantee you an upgrade because they can duplicate. Delves as a system in its current state is simply insufficient as a standalone method of gearing like both M+ and raiding can be and needs to be expanded.
Spot on, good sir
I’ve been saying this and I will repeat it over and over until you all get it through your heads:
Just because you struggle when you pug +7s because you have to drag idiots to the end against their will doesn’t mean they’re harder than T8s.
If you decided to take those same idiots to a T8 and try to drag them through it, they would deplete your lives in a flash. Don’t pug M+ and you’ll find the difficulty level drops immensely.
603 item level is more than plenty for almost all content in the game aside from like mythic raiding
This is also where I stand, give the majority of the player base that pays the bills to feel included. Not everyone likes the go go mentality within M+ and especially the salty toxic people who ruins the game all together. I never enjoyed doing them and actually hated Legion on wards from it. I only do them currently if my friend wants me to join them and that’s it.
Legion was the xpack I put down my shield as a prot paladin, I use to really enjoy tanking TBC - WOD.
My personal opinion.
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Pretty sure 7s are mathematically harder than t8 delves tho
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Solo a T8 end boss
Solo a M+7 boss
Let me know which one is easier
Now now, maths and logics are not allowed here. Whatchuthinkingwillis!?
“Solo a boss tuned to be solo’d then try to solo a boss tuned to be 5-manned. See! It’s harder!”
You just told Blizzard to disregard your input. Thanks.
Even when doing Delves in a group which should take away the “tuned to be solo’d”, a single person can solo a boss.
No matter how you cut it, numerically, M+ is harder than Delves
T8 delves are not comparable to any single degree with M7, the raw damage numbers even spread out aross the party is insane. The DPS needed for some bosses, requires DPS to be pumping the type of numbers you see in Mythic RAIDS, i think its city of echos that require it.
Try and grasp that, bosses in M7 which only reward hero gear, need DPS numbers that are required for Mythic Raid DPS check bosses.
Thats nothing comparable to t8.
On top of taht almost every mechanic of Devles is “Interrupt this spell or mitigate it” or “Dont stand in this.”
Thank you.
If you are going to be intellectually dishonest, then please don’t waste either of our time by conversing with me. Seriously, just don’t bother. We both have better things to do.
As far as my original question that you are avoiding to answer with a one of two options answer …
Do you see yourself as a ‘casual’ or ‘end-game’ player/customer?
I’m asking you what YOUR perspective is, nobody elses.
What does that have to do with anything? First of all, the people who want to do delves as their sole means of progression are not likely to engage in any other content. Second, you can get to the current cap in one week of doing delves, two at most. What are you supposed to do for the rest of the season?
Solo players need a robust self contained system of progression and delves can be that but not unless they are significantly expanded.
Im a casual. I play <10 hours a week
I don’t. Not if it means making them harder. Now if they did something like that then let it be for delves over tier 10 or something.
Otherwise, I’d prefer they keep them as they are.
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Thank you for your answer.
Your discussion with grizzle aside i really hate this insinuation that casual=not doing endgame. Typically when i play expansions i start out playing 40-50 hours a week, grinding professions, doing mid level keys, typically get aotc inside of a month and dip my toes into mythic, i consider myself casual and anyone below mythic raid prog team/pushing likewise.
But for some reason LFR heroes (not necessarily saying you) like to hijack the term and act like it only applies to people who don’t do or do very limited group content.
I think doing so poisons these conversations
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Truly not trying to pick an argument with you, but, do casual players even care about AOTC? Honestly asking.
Again, no disrespect meant, but to me a casual player is one that only wants to put in so much effort to overcome challenges in a game (also do not put up with toxicity and elitism), and the kind of challenges you mentioned seem to be an excess of what a casual player would normally want to do.
I would challenge if you actually are a casual player, though I understand that you’re asserting that you are, and again I’m not trying to be argumentative about it, but it doesn’t seem like you are, based on how you described yourself in your comment that I’m replying to now.
I do understand though that to a certain extent casualness is in the eye of the beholder, but there’s also a baseline to it that everyone could agree on.
I don’t think you’re a casual player.
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