delves are good enough already, i dont really see much reason to get that high. Zekvir doesnt really require it. once i fill out some more slots i am going for round 2
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No it actually is when scummy player have created a system of elimination. Like that moronic addon. So there’s one barrier. But you are right, I can avoid it by going there with buddies, but I have to make sure they have the time to do it and adhere to their schedule. So there’s another one. As opposed to delves which I can enter when I feel like it, take all the time I need.
Lemme ask another way then, do you even know what the word means? Cause there’s no shame in not knowing the exact definition, go look it up. Delves require less effort because it just me therefore they are more accessible. What the hell.
Anyway, I’m getting bored with this. Look, you can be against this all you want, but don’t think it’s because you are just working harder or whatever you people tell yourselves to justify demanding the devlers get shafted. In the end it’s up to Blizzard. If they choose to take a crap on delvers like they didn’t do with you people when raiders where crying that’s on them. Not like I expected anything but from the mythic+ community, to be honest.
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Summy players did not create the system.
The system exists beyond that. Can scummy people abuse it? Yes.
Which i even said you dont need it half the time if you pay attention to the boss, blizzard has done a very good job of announcing when mechanics are happening DBM mostly is there just to give you timers when its coming.
Again, this is not an accessibility issue, thats a schedueling issue with you and your buddies.
Accessibility is your abilty to literally access the content, there is NOTHING stopping you from access it, what you are talking about its accessing it the way YOU want to access it.
Thats not accessibility, the effort requires to do the content, not access to it.
Listen man, im trying to have a discussion with you in good faith here, but if you just wanna be snide and demeaning then we dont need to carry this on.
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Ok well you have a good one i hope you find the enjoyment in the game you are looking for.
I do not see the delves as easier at all. Yes, you were able to use a specific part of your rogue toolkit to make it easier, but that is not the experience of many players. The problem is not with the delve in this case, but with the rogue toolkit.
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But this is no fault of players like me who are playing 5 and six. It is a good challenge and then we get a single piece of decent gear. Lobby for 8+ to be challenging, on par with the same challenge of m+. I do not want to see 1-7 made any harder. And what is rewarded is good for players like me. It’s not right to screw up delves any further because they are causing some problems for m+. Sounds like you alteady have a solution for sorting out the m+ players.
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I would be okay with delves giving this level of gear more frequently but the difficulty would have to be scaled up.
Delves are supposed to be pillar content, meant to be progressed over weeks, but it currently takes only a week of pretty much only doing delves at lvl cap to put 8’s on farm.
The current 8 needs to be a tier 5 with the new 8 being significantly harder. 8s have a recommended ilvl of 600, but you can start clearing 8‘s at 560 with classes that are BAD solo. I decided not to level my dk first this expansion but I can’t imagine what ilvl i could get away with on blood…probably 540.
So yeah better/more frequent rewards on the backend but it needs to be significantly harder. But difficulties need to be consistent across all the delves. And imo different scaling for tank healer and dps solo with a single scaling for duos and trios, trios being the limit. Most freind groups play in groups of 2-3 anyways and i don’t think any 4 man is gunna complain about rotating out on 15 minute content sessions.
Delves are absolutely too easy right now. I went from 550 to 594 in a week without stepping foot in a single dungeon or raid, and im still sitting on 619 crafting mats i havent used.
Tier 8 is too easy and all the difficulty spike is backloaded into the 7-8 threshold. 1-6 feel almost no different from eachother.
Idk what this community’s obsession with mythic raid gear is. You honestly don’t even need it for any other content in the game aside from maybe a mythic raid.
Plus those raiders deserve that gear because if how hard it is to progress a guild through a mythic raid
Not because you find it easy it mean everyone have it youre way, for some player like me and you yes t8 are a joke, but for some that will be their goal to re ach.
Delves are not the m+ and raiding audience.
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Yes but currently you can reach the reward apex of delves in less than a week, if you’re a super casual solo player, maybe two. Thats because minus unlocks you currently go straight to farming tier 6 at level cap and tier 7 a few hours later.
This is supposed to be solo pillar content, people should be forced to gear up via using coffer keys on 2-6(by making all tiers harder) before progressing to 7-8 once they get their footing. I do think that if we were to go that route rewards on the backend need to be more frequent but it would be a better approach with a sense of “progression” for solo players.
We add 2 week prior season start so people were holding them and were gearing via heroic dungeon and crafting.
So when season start i add like 12 to 14 key, so it was normal to overgear it quickly and reach it earlier t8.
But for someone who can play 1 hour per day dont reach quickly has we did and play it safe.
Remember how the forum was one week before, people whining about the difficulties because influencer told thwm t8 were easy and should only target 8 only with key.
Wow have both extreme in playerbase.
Good,average and bad player.
Delves are for the average and bad player.
I resubbed last week, the day before reset, i hit lvl cap….5 days ago? I cleared my first tier 8 delve 4 days ago. I had 5 coffer keys if you include radiant echoes. I now have 8’s on farm.
This is pillar content, or at least its supposed to be. Its not something thats meant to be cleared at max reward incentive in…checks notes 4 days
I think the rewards from delves as they current exist are fine - in all truth there’s no difference between champion and heroic gear until you do m+ 9s or mythic raiding. Until then the only difference between a champion and hero loot piece is the 15-30 runed crests you need to upgrade the champion gear to 5/8 or 6/8 to match the hero 1/6 or hero 2/6.
Now personally I’d like to see gilded crests drop a little earlier in m+ but that’s an entirely different beast
Tbh, id be fine with there being an increased frequency of champion gear and hero gear on the backend and even the associated crests somehow.
But for years on these forums you’ve had LFR heroes insisting that solo players are just as good if not better than the raiders/m+ crowd, that they just either don’t have the time to dedicate to group content and/or have social anxiety/hate grouping.
If thats the case, then sure put really nice loot in the backend, but the content should be hard, at least in later tiers
You have some of the worst takes I’ve ever read and you keep doing it.
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It’s not too easy for me. I haven’t even gotten there yet and I’m not the only one.
Just because you want to passively aggressively brag about how accomplished you are at a video game is no reason to ruin it for others.
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Like mythic+ where they have to upgrade their coffee key?
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As a former CE player I dont care much about gear anymore. I definitely hope they keep working on delves and increase the rewards though. More gold and rep would be nice. More currency for buying the tmog too. Make them more rewarding in others ways imo. Once you run out of keys they are pointless and thats a shame
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You say this, but this is the direction it’s headed. As I, and others, have noted, the reward to difficulty ratio is out of whack. This is the same thing that lead to the dungeon squish that so many people cried about.
Same scenario. They’re not going to revamp one and claim the other is fine as is.
The m+ gear is going to be higher than what delves currently offer yet you want delves to be harder and cut others out of gearing even just halfway to what a mythic player would get.
Again, you have terrible takes.
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