Monks! Are you fun?

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@Vi-frostmourne

the 6% buff isnt going to be enough of a bump to offset TOD and TOK nerfs. the spec is too reliant on CDs for dmg ( and in pvp those CDs are hard countered by half the specs in the game, meaning we are even weaker ). more rotational dps needs to be added into TP/BOK/RSK. and our aoe is completely overshadowed by all of the top tier specs atm. we used to be the cleave kings, now a demon hunter presses eyebeam and blade dance and is miles in front of us. and lets not get into mages, dks, warriors etcs. either SCK needs to hit harder, the MOTC buff needs to be higher or stack higher, or FOF needs to have its aoe cap removed again.

at this stage in the game, we really are just far more worse off havok demon hunters. they do everything we do but A LOT better.

its a miserable experience playing a windwalker right now.

@Vi-frostmourne

50 energy TPs just slows down the gameplay so damn much, and they hit for nothing.

when rets drop 20-40k TVs back to back ( which relativisitically you look at the dmg of touch of death being in the 120-160k range on a 2 min CD ( ST, cannot cleave, cannot crit etcs ) if you play perfectly to funnel the entire dmg rotation into it, and they are doing 10-25% of its damage in rotational abilities. it makes us feel even more janky with our damage distribution. then you look at frost mages who can very often gets to cast glacial spikes for 70-100k and it cleaves with a talent. it just adds to the feeling that our damage breakdown is all over the place.

I feel the need to direct you to this forum post.

New Forums. New how to make WW better post

Here we are again having the same conversation again. Another how to make/fix WW post from your’s truly. tl;dr: A lot of these changes are just undoing what blizzard did to the spec that put it in such a poor spot, and some are genuine improvements to the spec. Section 1: This first section is just dedicated to fixing what blizz/the class devs messed up with the spec. Increase BoK damage by 27% to offset the nerf in the BfA prepatch. The reason BoK was nerfed in BfA prepatch was because 2 BoK…

As for my response to the OP’s question. Monk is still fun. However, Legion → BfA messed up a lot of just structural things. GCD changes really slowed thing down, and loss of artifact weapons kind of hurt some specs more than others.

From what I’ve played, BrM feels pretty similar to how it was in Legion except you have to be more frugal with your brews.

MW feels like blizzard was looking for more a of a WoD design, but didn’t implement the part of WoD MW that made it work in that back in WoD. Renewing mist had 3 charges that had a chance not to be consumed on use based on crit% and Uplift healed targets that had renewing mist on them. Now Renewing mist only has 2 charges and doesn’t have the chance to not be consumed on use, but Vivify functions the same way as Uplift did so it’s not just a good on use group heal anymore. Also not being able to cast Soothing Mist while moving sucks. Don’t know why it was removed.

WW by far feels the most different. The spec is slowed down so much because of GCD changes and loss of our artifact. Literally have like a 3-4 second ramp up time on each major pull/boss and that’s usually not even from Chi building abilities. We’re pretty energy starved because our artifact trait used to boost our max energy by 40, but now we don’t have it so we can really feel how bad a 50 energy TP is. It sucks having to talent Xuen because Hit Combo was made crap for reasons beyond my comprehension. RJW just slows the rotation down even further.

It sucks that our artifact ability replacement in Fist of the White Tiger is nothing like Strike of the Windlord and is more of a worse rebranded Power Strikes, which was a pretty crappy talent in Legion. Fist of the White Tiger is worse because it takes up a button and probably other reasons that I can’t think of off the top of my head because i never used Power Strikes in Legion. I mean if you want to compare the SotWL and FotWT in terms of power, SotWL was one of the main reasons WW was nerfbatted so hard in Legion in PvP. And while it was quite flattering for god (blizzard) to intervene on the rest of the playerbase’s behalf, I’m a little disappointed that I never got to fight at full strength in PvP because of templates. At the height of my power in Legion, SotWL had enough damage to one shot mythic geared tanks by blowing them away with 10M damage hits, and if that couldn’t kill them the likely 5-6M damage BoK I got from Antorus 4 set + leggo combo probably would. However, this was with CDs going. Though, I did have 1 or 2 RSKs in Legion that had the planets align and did like 10-11M. Meanwhile, FotWT currently hits for less than an RSK.

WW Rotation is still pretty good, but the energy starvation hinders it so much. Still a fun spec.

@Ythisens

It’s definitely a fun class to play still in all three specs.

@Ythisens

Not sure if it will be making it into 8.1 but I know there were some talks about revisiting some of the defensive cooldowns with damage components being used offensively. I know we mentioned this in the last AMA that that’s a kind of mindset we don’t want players to feel forced to do to add to their damage, rather than using it for personal survivability.

Also, I’d just like to express my feeling about how disappointing it is for what is likely the first blue post in the Monk forums or likely any forums regarding monk affairs for that matter in months or even years just to equate to “Monk is fun. We are aware there are issues. I’m sure people are fixing it.” I get that addressing class/spec issues may not be the duties of a CM’s station and the blue post probably means well, but it still stings that our first bit of communication in months between the devs and what feels like a declining population for a class/spec is just a “hang in there guys” kind of talk.