Mods, close this thread pls, got derailed and spammed by memes

[Cursewords-tichondrius (Cursewords)]

I wasn’t very interested in this thread before, but it’s got my attention now that the Hordeposters in here are doing their usual schtick of ganging up on people who call them out on their crap!

You fit right in this thread, my misguided lady.

[Allerya-stormscale]

I think they should all make some sort of discord.

You know a safe space to pat themselves on the back and talk about all the cringey commentary. I nominate Curse or Galien as the admin though.

[Ivalesse-moon-guard (Ivalesse)]

I think they should all make some sort of discord.

You know a safe space to pat themselves on the back and talk about all the cringey commentary. I nominate Curse or Galien as the admin though.

They already do. It’s called the Story Forum discord.

You probably don’t even have to guess whose image is plastered as the server icon either.

[Cursewords-tichondrius (Cursewords)]

I think they should all make some sort of discord.

You know a safe space to pat themselves on the back and talk about all the cringey commentary. I nominate Curse or Galien as the admin though.

Your curious fantasies explain much.

[Allerya-stormscale]

You probably don’t even have to guess whose image is plastered as the server icon either.

Shot in the dark here but Mussolini?

[Ivalesse-moon-guard (Ivalesse)]

You probably don’t even have to guess whose image is plastered as the server icon either.

Shot in the dark here but Mussolini?

Close enough.

[Allerya-stormscale]

Night Elf Civilians openly engaged Horde invaders in the theater of combat during the War of Thorns.

And they were killed for it.

You claim the Alliance burning combatants in Dazaralor

Fixed that for you.

Then you make the case for the Burning of Teldrassil and the death every Night Elven civilian. Almost as much as I could.

Because they are in a defensless city (as Delaryn says).
None inside the tree have taken a single stick against the Horde yet.
The Horde basically had civilians in their custody but decided to kill them execution style because of some obscure reason.

Just like real life if you kill someone execution style you get a much more harsher punishment than if you were to accidently kill someone.
In war the “accident” is referred to collateral damage.

[Vozul-wyrmrest-accord (Vozul)]

No I ain’t him.
All my characters are either on Stormscale or Sargeras.

You aren’t the “he” I was referring to. I was only referring to the OP, that Jojo troll guy.

No I don’t because when you fight then you become a combatant.

I find it astounding I have to explain to some Horde players here what the difference between a soldier and a civilian is.

I would say the difference between a soldier and a civilian is far more than that. Training and the actual capacity to do harm, for one. But fine, let’s say a portion of the civilians were resisting, and were a threat which needed to be handled. I’ll compromise with you for the sake of my goal, which is:

“Lol andiun slaughters civilians”

After BoD there is no report or any dialogue about huge amounts of civilian losses among the Zandalari.

So less than huge, but not zero? What does that mean? In-game depictions of lore events will never be on the same scale as the events themselves, as we can see with the depictions of in-game events through other mediums which can more easily portray the scale (Elegy and A Good War for example).

If we are shown civilians cowering and being burned alive, as we are shown in BoD, then it stands to reason that the lore event occurred on a broader scale than in-game could depict. I’ll work with you even more! Let’s say the in-game depiction was fairly accurate, and it was “only” on that scale. That’s still enough civilian deaths (even not counting the deaths of the shoppers who resisted) to stand by my point. Your Honor.

We can argue whether the city was mostly civilians, perhaps I was wrong in that. HOWEVER, civilian deaths DID, more likely than not, occur, and they WERE, more likely than not, majority unjustified. They were not merely collateral either, they were targeted attacks.

I think I’ve given you some fair concessions. Could I get a little baby concession? A tiny one?

I wasn’t very interested in this thread before, but it’s got my attention now that the Hordeposters in here are doing their usual schtick of ganging up on people who call them out on their crap!

I didn’t call in the cavalry or anything, lol. We all have to juggle dogpiles every now and again. This trend of acting as if one side or the other is more prone to forum ****ery is already wearing on me. It’s like one political party trying to accuse the other of being corrupt.

I welcome getting ganged up on. It’s actually a running theme in my Warcraft fanfiction dream journal.

[Allerya-stormscale]

I think I’ve given you some fair concessions. Could I get a little baby concession? A tiny one?

What concession you want?

That I put Teldrassil at the same level as Dazaralor like Cursewords seems to argue for?

[Vozul-wyrmrest-accord (Vozul)]

What concession you want?

That I put Teldrassil at the same level as Dazaralor like Cursewords seems to argue for?

Oh my god dude you didn’t even read my post did you? Bye.

[Allerya-stormscale]

I did. It just doesn’t make any sense?

Who care if the city is full of civilians.
You what? The whole city is an orphanage. Can’t get anymore innocent than that.

What matters is the intent.

[Cursewords-tichondrius (Cursewords)]

What concession you want?

That I put Teldrassil at the same level as Dazaralor like Cursewords seems to argue for?

Asking someone to expect a concession derived from your twisted logic is a bit unfair.

You said:

No I don’t because when you fight then you become a combatant.

You said that.

You said civilians attacking encroaching invaders makes them combatants.

Since Elegy makes every Night Elven civilian a weapon, you defend the Burning of Teldrassil.

[Grandblade-wyrmrest-accord (Grandblade)]

You guys see they gave movie Sonic gloves?

[Vozul-wyrmrest-accord (Vozul)]

I did. I just doesn’t make any sense?

Who care if the city is full of civilians.
You what? The whole city is an orphanage. Can’t get anymore innocent than that.

What matters is the intent.

I know your forces burned me and my family to death in an invasion on my city when my only crime was being there at the wrong time, Mr. Anduin, but you didn’t mean to. It’s okay.

You’re moving the goalposts to avoid conceding. I didn’t believe you had the humility to concede anything in the first place. Wasn’t holding my breath.

[Allerya-stormscale]

Since Elegy makes every Night Elven civilian a weapon, you defend the Burning of Teldrassil.

Just because you CAN do something doesn’t mean that you are guilty of it.
Don’t worry, I fully understand that you are morally challenged.

Basic concepts are foreign to you.

[Allerya-stormscale]

I know your forces burned me and my family to death in an invasion on my city when my only crime was being there at the wrong time, Mr. Anduin, but you didn’t mean to. It’s okay.

Show me one Zandalari family that was killed as you describe?
All we saw were some civilians running around, some others fighting and etc…

Nothing ever referenced to directly.

[Cursewords-tichondrius (Cursewords)]

Just because you CAN do something doesn’t mean that you are guilty of it.
Don’t worry, I fully understand that you are morally challenged.

Basic concepts are foreign to you.

I do not agree with your gibberish.

According to your nonsense, a civilian who favors the Horde is a combatant. A civilian who favors the Alliance is a victim who must be allowed to assail their conquerors.

[Allerya-stormscale]

a civilian who favors the Horde is a combatant.

A civilian who picks up a weapon and joins the battle is then a combatant yes.
Thats how it works.

Don’t pick up a weapon if you don’t expect to be shot back at.
It is a pretty straightforward concept.

According to your nonsense, a civilian who favors the Horde is a combatant. A civilian who favors the Alliance is a victim who must be allowed to assail their conquerors.

Do you have trouble reading?

[Cursewords-tichondrius (Cursewords)]

A civilian who picks up a weapon and joins the battle is then a combatant yes.
Thats how it works.

Don’t pick up a weapon if you don’t expect to be shot back at.
It is a pretty straightforward concept.

The Night Elven civilians from Ashenvale to Darkshore took up arms against the Horde.

The Night Elves based in Teldrassil are an Alliance civilian population who took up arms against the Horde during their conquest in the War of Thorns.

If a Zandalari shop keeper defending his property makes Zandalar a place to kill civilians at will for the Alliance - Teldrassil is rightfully the same.

[Vozul-wyrmrest-accord (Vozul)]

Show me one Zandalari family that was killed as you describe?
All we saw were some civilians running around, some others fighting and etc…

Nothing ever referenced to directly.

I literally just spent like four posts explaining to you how civilians were killed by the Dark Irons. You then claimed the ones killed were combatants, not civilians.

THAT IMPLIES YOU AGREE THERE WERE PEOPLE BEING KILLED. YES?

I then posited that, seeing as the Dark Irons were spewing fire indiscriminately and slaying resistance, it stands to reason that civilians were being killed. You yourself mention collateral damage.

THAT IMPLIES YOU AGREE CIVILIANS WERE BEING KILLED.

Then you made a claim that it was not the action itself (that action being slaughtering civilians) but that it was the intention.

THAT IMPLIES YOU AGREE CIVILIANS WERE BEING KILLED. AT LEAST AS COLLATERAL DAMAGE.

I have done my best to work within the goalposts you’ve been moving around. You are literally the most insufferable forum poster I’ve ever encountered. You respond to long, detailed explanations with three lines, every time. I’m not entitled to your time in that regard, that’s fine. But if you insist upon being this way, then clearly you have never had any interest in genuine story discussion, and you’d prefer to simply make your points and never leave them and only shift the goalposts while idiots like me dance for your amusement.