Too much min max too much drama in discord too much automated options in game, there’s hardly a game to enjoy as the former statements have become the main gameplay elements.
People don’t play MMOs to enjoy them anymore. It’s simply another rat race, e peen flex, a desire for being the best instead of enjoying the game with others.
MMOs used to be special and now they all are the same and equally terrible.
Well, that’s like, your opinion, man
Uhhhh…
No u.
You’re correct.
MMO’s aren’t really fun. They’re intended to be economic simulators where people with inferiority complexes can boost their ego and self worth by participating in the addicting factor of in game wealth and elitism.
It’s fun to character develop. It’s fun to level up a new character and get gear and attunements. It’s not fun to be surrounded by an echo chamber of negativity…
Games (MMO) that need spreadsheets and intricate planning attract a very particular subset of the human race. Think puzzles. Those same people post here that every thing you do that they do not approve of is wrong.
Low level mental disorder is still mental disorder.
just too many complainers really
There are people who are playing WoW and other MMOs who really don’t seem to be having fun. These people never talk about how things are fun or seem to really be enjoying themselves.
If you aren’t having fun at all it’s best to just walk away from even the entire genre. At the end of the day why are you talking about this on this forum for the WoW MMO specifically? That just says a lot about you.
Some people have fun with the drama or they have fun min-maxxing and parsing or speed clearing or whatever else. It’s not up to you to decide if it’s fun for them or not.
Certain things in MMOs are fun for me in ways that you don’t find in other games. Hopefully, you can have fun with whatever is for you.
Evaluating fun pretending to be objective
LMAO
The MMORPG genre has been turned into an ultra-competitive parsing e-sport by the console-game-mentality player community in modern times, & even before that was watered-down for mass-market $$$ appeal. WoW started the latter trend in 2004 with super-casual-friendly WoW, effectively killing the genre & spawning a lot of casual copycats aimed at maximum $$$.
I think Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen is the only in-development, upcoming (if ever released) MMORPG that is more interested in the old-school, more-hardcore MMORPG experience than having millions of subscribers. They appear to be looking for the balance of decent $$$ success (w/niche subscriber base) & traditional, serious MMORPG gameplay - but I’m sure if a big corporate studio ever buys them out, then they will wreck that model & mess up the game, just like Sony did with Vanguard: Saga of Heroes back in the day.
Maybe its the people playing the MMO that arent fun?
I do, but I think I am in the minority now.
basically this.
I am wrapping up a power level in retail. Started since blizzard didn’t give notice for tbcc buff…so I finish what I started. then its tbcc buff.
Seen some funkiness in dungeons.
I get 2 kinds of crews. we laugh it off. One goes “I Keep on forgetting I am not on my 260+ char”. Its okay dude…all of us are doing that at some point.
Like one run of Tos…several of us were knocked off a ledge by the worm AOE. A truly hilarious moment really. we laughed it off. whoops…we forget about that. as at 9.2.5 levels unless in mythic +…you are dropping them fast.
or the omfg rage monsters. this is not a try out for a MDI team dudes…chill. leveling to 60, tank said he was new…lets not ruin a possible +1 tank to the game. He was doing pretty good for a first run…no need to be a male organ really.
A video game should be played casually for fun. If it’s not fun, there’s no reason to play it. MMO’s aren’t a replacement for real world fulfillment. If you expect them to be, you’ll end up disappointed.
The potential exists for some super cool happy fun times but we screwed that up and now seem loathe to admit our mistakes for some dumb reason I dont even want to think about.
It wasnt good enough to just have a fun world to play in, some lames had to go and try and torture meaning into this thing and now a once perfectly wonderful futility is now unbearably absurd.
But I dunno, I guess Ill just blame Blizz for doing something or not doing something while I do nothing help myself but at least I can pass the time complaining about it.
Find yourself a good guild. Which sounds like “Yeah whatever” but it’s literally the problem.
MMO’s have never been about the game. There’s fun in competing with friends, or doing crazy things with odd builds that rely on your skill or dumb luck, but unless you have a group of people around who who care enough to cheer, laugh, or poke fun at you, it’s not fun.
MMO’s have always been about the group of people you play with. The small tight-knit guild community, the larger server community with personalities trading barbs in trade chat, then helping out with each other’s alt runs. The most important part of MMORPG is the “Multiplayer” part.
Discord for all it’s benefits, takes the conversation out of the game. It expands the conversation to a dozen different places unrelated to your in-game character, with class discords, streamer discords, and a bunch of others unrelated to your server, your guild or your character. It’s a good tool, but it shouldn’t be the primary interaction source for an MMO. It’s super useful, but the slower pace of the old phpBB2/3 forums meant people moved back into the game to ‘just chat’.
When it comes to the “meta”, the problem is that people don’t have a social circle around them in game, to have fun, so they latch on to those other elements and say “If I can succeed at that, I’ll have fun!”, and so people focus on the meta, focus on their DPS numbers, focus on all the things they can quantify because the social interaction is lacking.
When I came back to WoW for classic, I decided to look for a good guild first, and not a high performance sweaty-edge guild. Because I wanted a group of people around me that would be there for the fun, good times, and most of all stick together because we had them. By and large, the same people who were in the guild at the start of TBC form the core of the guild at the end of TBC. We might not have the server first progression, but we’re still raiding every week while other guilds ahead of us have disbanded or “Raid paused”, because they’re struggling against the roster boss as people quit or move elsewhere.
If you want WoW to be fun, you have to focus on finding your tribe. Not on finding your top DPS build.
People have min maxing mmos since there has been mmos.
RPGs incentivize it, specific specs, potions and strategies help you defeat bigger and bigger challenges…so why wouldnt you find those things to help you.
Its not min maxing that gets people. Its the ‘Ive min/max’d to the last possible degree and thus I am a god to be worshipped by scrub peons like you who have done exactly 7% less than I have. Now bow’ that rubs people the wrong way.
maybe try FFXIV, the story is fantastic and is an actual journey
unlike wow’s cursed writing team like JAB hating women and forcing slyvanas to burn a tree and then leaving without explaining why
you know whats less fun? posting on a forum complaining about a genre of game you dont find compelling anymore.