MM losing pets, what’s next?

In world/delve content, you cannot use vanish rotationally. It resets the mobs.

Rotations are dependent on the type of content, and build choices. You can CHOOSE to not take crackshot even though it REALLY hurts outlaws DPS to not take it. Same with subterfuge, it hurts your DPS more than choosing to not spec lone wolf but it’s an option.

You don’t play Outlaw, do you?

I do, which is why I know vanish resets the mobs. It makes it feel really bad especially in the wave part of delve stories.

But you seem to be ignoring that this is mob-dependent.

Online builds still suggest investing in vanish.

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/outlaw-rogue-pve-dps-spec-builds-talents?area=area_1
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/outlaw/talent-builds-pve-dps

This isn’t an oversight. Outlaw has a lot of upfront burst.

Wave setups work fine for Outlaw. They do not suffer for this, so long as you’re using vanish and subterfuge.

‘suggested’ cookie cutter builds, yes. Not everyone plays them, which is the point.

and I dunno about mob-dependant, any time I’ve used it, aggro/combat drop.

Didn’t for me, maybe because I only did delves early on it could’ve been bugged because most of the mobs would try to reset with 1 left attacking brann or straight disappear. World content, for sure everything just resets still.

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If the mob has anything else on its threat table, it will not (or, at least, should not) reset. This includes Brann, for example.

Even 100 item levels below where I should have been, my Outlaw still bursted 90% of world content that was soloable before I’d need to use Vanish. Thankfully there really isn’t an opportunity cost for the build in having it for times I can’t burst.

I will remind you one more time, I am not here to tell you how to build your character. I responded to this;

You are incorrect. This is not how Outlaw generally uses Crackshot/Stealth

You’re late.

My affliction warlock would disagree with you; but that’s just my opinion.

Unlikely what? that you have another class to lust? when evoker, mage and shaman exist? :clown_face:

and your little legs capable of movement cannot cast aimed shot when they are moving, and moving will agro more mobs.

~~because is true

Its literally in the damn blue post, that they were trying to solve the issue of people being “frustrated” by summoning a pet, to use its ability. Only M+ players are whining for that, and some raiders who for some dumb reason, didn’t brought a lust class with then.

It is.

Im not ignoring, im saying they have, not that there are only hunters that use animals/pet.

Not rly, since mm hunters opt for pets in PVP

You are the incorrect one, given you only quoted one part of the post.

Can argue all day and still be wrong if you prefer. You also have no data to pull whether people do or don’t use it in delves or world content.

It’s been a million years since I played rogue. Do enemies evade and drop combat if you vanish while they are stunned, gouged or blinded? Honestly can’t remember.

Make MM feel great again… make it the only hunter spec that needs to buy ammo to replace them losing pets.

I’m no connoisseur, but I do believe so, yes. Annoying, admittedly.

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Brother I’ve been in raids before where I was the only hero class out of 25 people. It happens.
You are just ignorant. Keep your “clown” nonsense to yourself because clearly you have no idea what you are talking about.

Get distance. Aimed shot. Get distance. Aimed shot. Gee that was hard!
Oh no its a group! Binding shot. Get distance. Gee that was hard!
Tar trap into disengage. Gee that was hard!

Again. You are ignorant and nothing but hot air looking to fight.

Its not. Its called a strawman. A tangent. Not relevant to what people were talking about. And regardless, its subjective.

I wonder why this could be… totally not because of utility you get for having one out.
Idk man this is a big head scratcher for me. /s

This sounds more like you, or your raid leader picking better comp instead of MM losing their pets

Imagine not inviting any of those 3 classes

Get distance. agro mob, great more distance agro mob

You are just ignorant clearly you have no idea what you are talking about.

People are talking about content that isnt M+ and mythic raid, thats PVP

And i wonder why people dont pick pet PVE…totally not because of the increase in damage it does

But sure, tis just because they don’t like pets in the pet class :clown_face:

Not to mention drums still are a thing, aren’t they? Free lust for any leatherworker!

Imagine bringing the player and not the class :clown_face:

You have yet to explain what was ignorant about what I said. There is plenty in your kit to get distance AND cc.
Someone never played vanilla hunter and it shows.
And that was way before we had the laundry list of utility we have now.

Yet why do people use a pet in pvp… oh right, utility which you don’t get without the pet. Now its relevant and you are still wrong.

And you don’t need as much utility in a group setting. If you weren’t so busy being such a condescending :clown_face:, you’d understand this.

I would not call Quiver ignorant, but like so many, they fail to see that some of us take the stance of “better to have and not need then need and not have”. In my normal play style I might not “need” the CC abilities of Binding shot, tar trap, etc but I still take them for as much content as I can so I have them to use if things go south in ways I might not have expected.

Do I “need” a pet? likely not, it will just be a period of adjustment to figure out how to handle going pet less in solo content, depending on the tools Blizzard is giving me. Do I “want” the ability to call a pet to use as a tool, just like I would use tar trap, binding shot, etc? yes

Imagine not bringing the player that play those classes :clown_face:

And you know, you can just reroll to these classes man /s

Because is moronic and doesn’t take account questing being filled with packs of mobs that every step you take you agro something, making the pet extremely valuable in this kind of content, especially for beginners.

Classic is over there →

Exactly, and removing it wil screw over out utility.

THEREFORE, outside M+ and mythic raiding people use pet, making the argument the dude use, and yours, invallid.

But they still maon and cry they need to waste 3s to lust.

Pot meets kettle :clown_face:

I just flip what he said to me, to him. :tipping_hand_man:t5:

and he flips it back to yo, creating back and forth that does nothing as far as actual discussion.