MM is complete trash now

[Goobr-earthfury]

People still calling it a bug fix shows how little they understand about what happened. There was no bug fix, it was a nerf.

2 spells were cast, 2 procs happened.

If it was a bug fix they would have done this to stomp as well.

[Zuglol-sargeras]

Hunters are perfectly fine! Play SV and don’t care.

[Melynna-kilrogg]

@Killthots-stormrage

You might wanna try actually clearing through normal before you say get gud to people just saying lol. Also relying on a bugged covenant ability to keep mm afloat has zero to do with player skill its all class design. And its not a bug if it made from beta all the way to now.

is this better? I tanked all through Normal for my guild, the hunter is technically my alt. Also good work ignoring the previous sentence which was “step towards tuning the class”. 2/10

[Melynna-kilrogg]

Don’t run with too many groups/pugs that have tanks averaging over 4k dps. Not a brag and I know I’m not L33T or hc but I do fine in the content I play. I even switched to BM a couple days ago and can still hang around 4k. You really can’t help yourself when it comes to hyperbole

[Mekhunter-kilrogg]

@Kreezhunt-illidan

Tell me where you see MM being mid pack

You stopped reading halfway through the first sentence clearly, as the rest of the sentence is “and plenty playable through even heroic CN.” checking Heroic logs and, lo! MM is mid-pack! I tried to link but it wont let me for some reason so you’ll have to check for yourself.

[Lazyguide-area-52 (Lazyguide)]

@Mekhunter-kilrogg

I tried to link but it wont let me for some reason so you’ll have to check for yourself.

You don’t have high enough forum posting privileges. Break up the link and I’ll repost it for you.

[Mekhunter-kilrogg]

https:// www.warcraft logs. com/zone/ statistics/26#dataset=95&difficulty=4

[Lazyguide-area-52 (Lazyguide)]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/26#dataset=95&difficulty=4

Edit: There you go.

[Killthots-stormrage]

Except they havent tuned anything .

[Mekhunter-kilrogg]

its literally been 6 days. zoomers and their demand for instant gratification

[Wsl-nemesis]

please channel ideas on how to improve the class here

Hunter Megathread SV/BM/MM

Ideas so far : MM - improve mobility in a lot of dodge mechanics fights it struggle Steady focus - every 2 steady shots consecutive or not Sniper Training - after 5 sec standing still you can cast aimed shot while moving for 5 sec, (values may varie) Remove the aoe cap on explosive shot, any talent shouldnt have aoe cap lone wolf buff is 10% used to be 20% how about 10% of a stat insted of damage, lets say 10% versatility hunter ability without the pet should be hysteria insted of surv of the…

[Lazyguide-area-52 (Lazyguide)]

Eh, tuning has been wildly off since launch. I don’t think it’s unreasonable for players to be frustrated atm.

BM pvp has picked up a bit this week at least.

[Mekhunter-kilrogg]

i get the frustration. Not sure why someone would expect expedient class balance from these devs since that hasnt really ever happened as far as I can remember. These things take time; the way I look at it is with the NF nerf there won’t be the excuse for devs to say “look, MM is top 5, class is fine” because of a single spec/covenant. Its not going to happen overnight; look at how long it took for the other classes so far

[Lazyguide-area-52 (Lazyguide)]

@Mekhunter-kilrogg

Not sure why someone would expect expedient class balance from these devs since that hasnt really ever happened as far as I can remember

I don’t expect it from them because as you mentioned, Blizz has a terrible history concerning how long they let clear imbalances last. But where originally I really only had Blizz to look towards, I and many others have seen how other games can and do balance their games on a much more frequent basis.

If blizz wanted to, they really could be much more aggressive in their balancing. But that isn’t their philosophy and never has been. So, as I mentioned I’m not surprised or expecting anything different. But I can still be frustrated / disappointed and I’m not surprised to see many others feeling that way, you know? I just don’t think it’s people being impatient per

@Mekhunter-kilrogg

zoomers and their demand for instant gratification

If that makes sense.

[Silentshucks-illidan]

It’s middle of the pack on every fight except for some weird outlier on Artificer. I don’t understand why its struggling there specifically, but that seems to be bringing the rating down drastically when you look at the data for all encounters.

[Waidmann-gilneas (Waidmann)]

@Strippendell-proudmoore

Because for most of the alpha/beta WS was broken so it didn’t sim true until very late and by then blizz was dragging their feet too much on balancing, and hunters were the last on their list.

We are always last on their list , have been so since Ion took over in Legion

Ion pre Legion Launch : We were not able to get to all the classes before launch we will get to them later on .

Hunters: Ok it is post launch where is that working on classes after launch you were talking about ?

Ion : Oh you thought we meant this expansion we meant the next one (BfA)

Hunters BfA : ok it’s the next expansion where are those fixes you said we would have wait until this expansion to get

@Ingvaeonic-dalaran

Blizz is like “we will see after a week,” comes back on Monday and sees all three hunter specs in the bottom 6…

Blizz: Working as intended

[Mekhunter-kilrogg]

I suspect its because a lot of groups make hunters run seeds and/or turtle the traps. Only thing that comes to mind

[Eddyv-illidan]

@Mekhunter-kilrogg

i get the frustration. Not sure why someone would expect expedient class balance from these devs since that hasnt really ever happened as far as I can remember.

It’s less about expedient balancing and more about a lack of forethought from the devs. Both WW and MM were propped up by “bugs”, for a business to claim to have and utilize data, they sure did not realize what these “bug” fixes would do. Also they nerfed our BASELINE kit before mythic was released, when it was a broken covenant with a bugged interaction.

So given they had months to address these problems on PTR and didn’t bother with any counter balancing. It didn’t take much to figure out that this would be a pretty sizeable impact on hunter performance, when 70% of hunters run NF.

I also doubt they will do any more balancing till 9.1, this dev team hasn’t bothered to be good with balancing since legion and it doesn’t look like they intend to get any better.

Also you realize that the average WoW player is like 30 now, so most the people you are talking too on the forums are probably millennials.

[Malouda-illidan]

@Mekhunter-kilrogg

I knew ahead of time that it was suboptimal, but aesthetically I liked it and abom factory is the best of the four activities by far. fleshcraft is decent now and chakram is okay. its fine in ST and 2 target cleave, and awful past that for sure. plus the extra focus regen is helpful.

Regardless, seeing the one covenant that was 20% stronger than the others get taken down a peg is nice, even if its still the strongest.

To no one’s surprise you’re under 900 io and haven’t killed 3 bosses in heroic lol. Odd that someone who cares so little about actual endgame activities and only participates in activities where there is no skill floor is in here commentating on meta shifts.

[Ingvaeonic-dalaran]

Unfortunately, yep.