It’s just odd that in any given talent tree, there is going to be the less optimal damage option. Mm hunters who want optimal dps are already rejecting dozens of other talents with a click of a mouse. How is rejecting the “run with a pet” button different from all those other talents they don’t want?
The only legit complaint is if you are forced to choose the pet talent to get to a much bigger, better damage talent farther down the tree. Which I think Blizz is aware of by now would cause mm hunters to go full Hatfield vs. McCoy, so hopefully they don’t do that.
I want the Petless MM to be the meta but I still want to have an option to have Pet on Open World/Delves/Melting Massive Elites. MM is on a meta right now… dominating WarCraft Logs one notch below Shamans.
Which is fine majority of us are ok with it we just wanted to keep pet as a option for world content and class identity /roleplay. Things got derailed when pro pet removal crowd started spewing absolute nonsense about how mm has no use for a pet.
They’re sad because they’re getting 99% of what they wanted instead of 100% and don’t get to bash on the people who wanted pets anymore. (Really thats most of what the complaints are, the later, people not being able to bash on people who want pets anymore and rubbing their faces in the fact that pets “are going away forever totally”)
Because some of us aren’t as good at playing as others and we need the extra buffer that a tank pet can provide. I can’t move and cast at the same time and I’d blame it on my 70+ reflexes but I couldn’t do it 30 years ago either. So yeah, kiting is out.
Having a pet may be a dps loss but getting eaten by a mob is effectively a 100% dps loss. If I played any group content I’d go with lone wolf but I’m a solo open world player who strives to just be kind of bad. Getting “gud” is a long past aspiration.
Likewise for those of us who have integrated our pets into our head canon, this is a welcomed decision by Blizz. Though given how quickly they reversed I suspect this decision was not without controversy among the “devs”, whoever the heck they are. Something like, “Fine, announce it and when the feedback reaches a given threshold have the announcement ready.”
I’m very happy Blizz is allowing both styles of play and find it hard to understand why we all aren’t happy with having choices. To my thinking this is win/win.
As far as I can see, the talent for improved spotter’s mark is a required talent anyway for the rest of the tree. Swapping to a second choice for the pet at that node is fine if that’s what the player wants. It’s not like that talent wasn’t going to get put in at that node anyway.
So we get exactly what we asked for, and more importantly, what we knew was possible.
Thanks Blizz, best way to show you listen to the players and you’re not obtuse. We could have been wrong and defeated, now we feel victorious and legitimate. And safe. Great move, great great move. Everybody wins.
Yeah it seems like the “disappointment” at this announcement is all rooted in the expectation that there would be salt to mine from pets being removed. Their schadenfreude was stolen from them.
I haven’t given up on that fight. I even made a thread a couple years ago on the Community Council beseeching them to revert SV to ranged. It seems like people overlooked this thread.
But, I honestly think that it was the massive and lasting (as in, still ongoing today) backlash over melee SV that has made them more careful about huge changes to the Hunter class going forth (e.g., removing pets from MM or forcing BM to be a wild zookeeper).
It absolutely sucks for the ranged SV players, and I’m still hoping for you guys. But I really think that the fallout over that has made Blizzard more careful.
Let’s be honest about this, unless we’re talking about someone who’s running with a group of people they know (i.e. their friends) & play with on the regular, no one going into high keys or mythic raiding is going to choose to play MM with a pet. No one in their right mind, that is, as you would be losing too much dps that your group depends on in those specific gameplay modes. Just like you need to learn ALL the mechanics & how to deal with them depending on your class, picking the best talents for the job will still remain the same.
As a MM hunter main, I don’t care if someone is running around with their pet in the open world, nor do I care if they do the same in simple heroic dungeons, LFG or even normal mode raid. I can guarantee if someone tries to pug a high key or mythic raid with their pet out, they’re gonna get kicked. People get kicked from running poorly optimized talents all the time when pugging M+, & this is not going to change. Hell, I was in a +10 (so not a high key at all) the other day where the mage wouldn’t interrupt anything, & after smarting off to the tank after being questioned about it, the mage who wouldn’t do a part of their job promptly got kicked.
All this to say, I don’t think we need to worry about those MM hunters who choose to play with their pets. If a MM hunter is serious about pushing into more difficult modes of play, then they need to come to terms with the fact that dps is more important in that type of content. If they don’t, well, I think the community will do a good enough job of gatekeeping the more difficult content from those who won’t put in every ounce of work required.