Might of the Frozen Wastes is back

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So then how much DPS does each weapon do in that window? Like I said, I dont care about obliterate. Its a damage window is it not?

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For the same reason you wouldn’t trade Mastery for the same amount of Strength.
Razorice doesn’t affect normal Obliterates or auto-attack damage which is a big chunk of damage. Plus the extra strength from RotFC synergizes with Pillar of Frost.

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The absolute values don’t matter. DW could do 100 times more damage all time and it wouldn’t matter for this specific discussion. If you compare no talent to Obliteration, what happens is that you gain more KM procs, as well as some resources. That’s what we need to consider.

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but does it outweigh the increase from all the frost damage sources? a chance at 15% vs a ramping 15%

and how much damage does strength add to auto attacks and reg obliterates? Also, maybe I want a bigger burst window rather than steady dmg for pvp. Razorice will benefit my Obliteration window more I would think.

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So the conversation is pointless because its not actually answering if this buff is actually doing anything.

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RotFC is up most of the time and adds to PoF strength scaling.
It’s literally no contest. RotFC wins hands down. Feel free to test this theory.

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This doesn’t make sense? If you turn the conversation, would you mind explaining how exactly DW gains more relative value from Obliteration compared to DW?

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Regarding Fallen Crusader, it has ~60% uptime at 0% haste, scaling upwards. This equates to 9% average strength increase which is essentially the same as 9% increased damage. You need 60% of your damage to be mastery for razorice to contribute the same damage increase, not counting the actual melee hit damage from razorice (it’s small but still).

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Why are you still on this? Have I denied what you said earlier? Or are you taking it as such because I have always been talking about if a 25% increase to Obliterate actually does anything meaningful?

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Yay some math! Nice to know strength to dmg is 1:1.

I still wonder if the obliteration window damage might be better with 15% frost dmg vs 9% strength. I don’t know what portion of the new rank 2 KM is frost though.

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Here’s you disagreeing with my statement about 2H gaining more from Obliteration.

Here’s another.

Again

This will change the relative output from KM procs alone between 2H and DW in 2H’s favour. <- my original mention.

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It’s not exactly 1:1 but it’s close.

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So if both get 10 procs during the window its not the same amount?

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No, because 2H benefits more from each and every proc.

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Only because the base mechanics arent there for 2h, which I said earlier.

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Obliteration increases the number of procs for KM overall for both 2H and DW.

2H benefits more from KM procs than DW does.

The closer these two proc rates get to each other, 2H pulls further and further ahead.

Obliteration brings the proc rates closer together. In fact, in the obliteration window they are exactly the same!

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Only in terms of obliterate damage which frost is not just obliterate… exactly the same thing i said earlier as well.

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Not sure of the exact numbers, but what I found was different than yours.
I read RotFC has a 75% up time with an average strength bonus of 11.25%. Now that affects all abilities whereas Razorice does not affect Obliterate or auto-attacks. And that is not even factoring in Pillar of Frost which adds additional value to RotFC.

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maybe from this guide? https://www.wowhead.com/frost-death-knight-guide

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How does Obliteration buff other sources of damage in the window exactly?