What about using Glacial Advance instead?
You need the runeforge equipped for razorice to actually apply.
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From what I’m seeing, it is competitive in single target engagements. MotFW is off to a great start with separating the weapon usages as different play-styles instead throwing blanket band-aid changes back and forth, which only resulted in absurd balance fluctuations.
I assume you’re talking about the difference in overall Obliterate damage per minute based on the total number of KM procs between the two weapons, and the flat 25% buff?
I think you just don’t want 2h frost at all.
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No, per KM proc its only got a 10% increase over DW, with less KM procs because its still triggered the same way.
It is just a band aid fix. Its not actually fixing the differences. MotFW in cata was a flat melee buff which worked with more than just obliterate and it didnt work. All this is doing is masking the problem. I really dont know what people expect from it. if you are going to do something do it right and that would come in a spec rework so that the weapons would be nothing more than stat sticks.
And where is this coming from? Pointing out reality and that history is repeating itself which got 2h removed in the first place is not equal to what you think.
If someone wanted a car with square wheels and the other person says “its going to be a bumpy ride” you cant say “you dont want me to have a car with square wheels”. I care about the spec, while you guys only care about a weapon.
What is this “10%” number?
2h gets a 25% on Obliterate, so that 25% is there on a non KM Obliterate but that takes armor into account. DW has Razorice which provides 15% frost damage, and with KM making Obliterate Frost Damage, that means DW is getting a 15% increase in Obliterate damage while 2h is getting 25% with a difference of “10%” damage. DW could sac haste to get mastery to make up this difference.
Good, then they will break even. Is that not the point? 
I will play my bursty setup, you play your roguish haste-based setup. We both win. I genuinely dont understand why you are being so hostile to the change.
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They would break even in Obliterate damage, but frost is not just Obliterate. That mastery would work with razorice to then drive up the damage of the rest of the kit.
Its because its not actually fixing the problem, its just masking it. This always happens when there is any change. Just like when 2h was announced to be back people were cheering and gloating all over the place, and what happened? 2h was top tier garbage. They just increased the damage of one ability and increased its proc chance for KM but you still need auto attack crits to trigger it.
People really need to be more level headed than to see one little change and then being so hyped about it that when others point out that its not that big of a change and does less than Cata MotFW they see it as hostile.
People are saying its a good start. Thank Bliz for making an effort. No one is saying this is the best change ever which solves everything. You, conversely, are just blasting the change as terrible.
Again - its a start. It needs to be tested. It, undoubtedly, will be adjusted after the numbers come back.
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No, people are saying 2h is back and it solves everything. That exact post is even on the beta forums followed by a post of scaling concerns.
A post does not equal everyone, just as you do not equal everyone.
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And people are hyped acting like its the best thing ever… so my point still stands. If they were just saying its a start, which you are the only person I seen say it, then the hype wouldnt be there and all these issues would be mentioned by everyone. For some reason people think frost is just obliterate, and they have seemingly thought this for how long? Obliterate obliterate obliterate is what people have been really talking about.
There should be no hype just yet. They are making the same old mistakes with 2H vs DW. It’s like nobody learned from the past.
If I’m not mistaken, 2H Frost could have a 100% proc chance for KM on auto-attack crits and it still wouldn’t equal DW. The only way it would work is if they also drastically lowered the chance for DW to proc KM and considering it’s based on crit chance foremost, there could be some really bad RNG that people are not going to like. KM should have been redesigned to go along with an attempt at balancing 2H and DW.
Runeforges are the other problem. DW gains 15% extra Frost damage from most all abilities. That destroys a measly 25% bonus to just Obliterate for 2H. And since KM causes Obliterate to deal Frost damage too, the difference isn’t even 25%.
All in all, this is extremely disappointing.
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I dont even think its an attempt to balance them.
Personally, I am happy with the effort. I am willing to be patient and see where it goes. 2H is much more viable today than it was yesterday. We will see what happens in the coming updates.
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Well, is it? If this is an attempt at balancing the 2 weapons then Shadowlands is going to be the worst balanced expansion ever. Its such a low difference between the weapons that it shouldnt even be worth announcing.
If you want to look at it, lets give Obliterate a 100 base damage, that means Obliterate would do 125 damage for 2h, and 100 damage for DW before armor. Then a crit would be 250 for 2h and 200 for DW before armor (if you got a full crit for DW) and then KM for 2h would be 250, and KM for DW would be 230 due to the 15% debuff on the target. That is assuming 0 mastery, no str buffs, no versatility.
Now DW still gets more KM procs so is that 20 damage with km procs going to do much when that 15% has an impact on the rest of the spec? Would you actually call that an attempt at balance.
The auto attack damage for 2H should be increased to elaborate on the more physical-oriented play style that it is.
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I’m excited, this is a great change- looking forward to further tweaking