Might of the Frozen Wastes is back

No, you dont. Because if you use damage then KM does something entirely different. It would double the damage of Obliterate, 50 damage with a km proc would mean it does 100 damage.

Sure, we can change the example. Without KM58, we do 50 total damage/ dps/ bananas with obliterate, with KM58 we do 100, it doesnā€™t matter for the conclusionā€¦

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Alright, if you are just going to troll this conversation is over.

Iā€™m not trolling. Iā€™ve been sitting here thinking youā€™re arguing in bad faith/ trolling.

Would you mind explaining what parts of my example you do not understand? Iā€™m not sure how to explain more simply.

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I have been asking over and over what you mean by certain things and you said it doesnt matter. So the conversation is done.

Thatā€™s really all that these threads ever are.

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It doesnā€™t matter what unit of damage you use, but to clarify once and for all: We consider an example where we do 100 total dps, 50 of that dps coming from Obliterate. KM58 adds 20 dps to the obliterates, making the total dps become 120.

When we introduce MoTFW, we start with 50 non-oblit dps and 62.5 oblit dps. Adding KM58 makes it so we have 50 non-oblit dps and 87.5 oblit dps.

Without MoTFW, adding KM58 is a 20% dps increase. With MoTFW, adding KM58 is a 22.2% dps increase.

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See how much more clear that is. Now I dont have to wonder if you are talking about button press or whatever else. Its not my job to decipher what you mean.

Biceps, Kel would rather be wrong and argue against 2h to the grave. I understood what you were trying to say pretty easy but kelleste just doesnt want to be wrong after over 2500 forum posts about how hur dur 2h bad hur dur dw good and flawless hur dur.

Im telling you man youre wasting your time talking to them. They dont care about what youre saying they just want to argue and they just want 2h to fail its not worth it. Itll be much easier to just let shadowlands release and 2h to finally become the meta spec before they understand their foolishness

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Given that it is now clear, what is your response?

that might only gives 2.2 % dps for 2h. What does the second runeforge give DW.

Is player bashing all you know how to do?

Not sure why you bring this up? If I remember correctly, I was talking about how KM58 would benefit 2H more, which you now also agree on.

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Truthfully I dont know why you had to go through all that when you could have shown that 2h KM obliterates with Might, is 8.3% more damage and DW km obliterates (per ability use). But, wouldnt it be good to see how much that 15% extra damage per KM proc would do so you can get the actual % difference for DW assuming that FC will be the go to for 2h like the past has shown?

This is not 5 years+ ago, RI might be the better choice now :grinning:

Why assume, when we should look at both?

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ā€œItā€™s hard to win an argument with a smart person, but itā€™s damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid personā€ - Bill Murray

ā€¦And I donā€™t think anyone would ever consider kelliste smart.

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Biceps already explained numerous times how we canā€™t get a consensus on differentiating damage numbers until we are able to reach level 58 and unlock the Killing Machine upgrade that converts Obliterate damage to Frost. Yet, we keep getting this same circular argument based on misinformation, and gets the thread nowhere.

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More player bashing huh?

All that it does is make obliterate hit with its full damage. Whats so hard about that?

Because its how testing works, unless there is some information out there saying otherwise then FC should be the go too, which was explained to you multiple times the reasoning in taking Fallen Crusader.