Method say Blizzard Do - A Mythic + Rant

[Jugaa-arthas (Jugaa)]

It can take 3 months + to get fully mythic geared by doing mythic plus. Mythic raiders can get this within the first month. I do not see the bad thing here.

So do Mythic raiding. Mythic+ rewarding the level of gear it did was crazy imo

[Amirii-echo-isles]

Weekly chest was always overtuned imo

[Shaethos-malganis]

+10 drops 400 = Heroic
Weekly chest of +10 drops 410 = Heroic +10

With consistent weekly 410’s and the repeatable nature of M+, it’s fairly straight forward to get to mythic ilvls.

My 8/9M Druid, that consistently pushes +18-+20 keys regularly: Ilvl = 416.
My 9/9H 1/9M Paladin, that does 1 +10 key a week: Ilvl = 414.

As to the OP… This sounds like fake news… They always cap it down for the first week so that all the mythic teams aren’t spamming M+ to get quick 430 gear in prep for Mythic opening. They learned from their mistake with EN to do this…

This nicely sums up how screwed up the reward structure has become.

Except that his paladin will have poor azerite traits, secondary stat distributions, poor trinkets, and lack sockets.

Quality for vs quantity. Itemization is fine as ilvl is meaningless now.

[Argorwal-ysera (Argorwal)]

Not necessarily at all.

A lot of BiS trinkets, rings (main method of secondary stats) and azerite all come from mythic+.

And doing even the bare minimum of 1 a week is a lot of loot after a while.

Remember we are comparing this to 8/9 mythic, which is about a factor of 7000 more difficult above pugging a weekly +10.

[Plantains-shattered-hand (Plantains)]

So do Mythic raiding. Mythic+ rewarding the level of gear it did was crazy imo

Mythic raiding would become more reqsomable if it was more accessable. I cannot mythic raid cross server until 100 alliance and 100 horde guilds get 8/8 bosses down. Then when they do cross realm gets released with ID locked raids so I cannot join more than one group once I start. If Blizzard were to remove these restrictions then mythic raiding would be an option for me as I will not leave my current guild to join a mythic guild for loot. I would rather unsub. So mythic raiding is not as accessable as mythic plus for gamers who like to play with a variety of friends on different servers.

This means your argument is facile. In terms of mythic plus loot its scaled perfectly as is. Its not at the mythic level at all. Its in between heroic and mythic

[Nyl-sisters-of-elune]

Maybe you are new here.

I’ve been here since the open beta for vanilla. Not new here. At all. But you mean that something they’ve done in the past determines what we should expect from them? Kinda like doing exactly this same thing last season and the ilvl not being reduced like you’re crying about? Why should I care what you believe? You’re more than within your rights to be paranoid and delusional about anything and everything. Have at it. I was asking you to prove your claim that Blizzard told us something and as we all knew the outcome was going to be when called on it your claim was a lie.

[Jugaa-arthas (Jugaa)]

In terms of mythic plus loot its scaled perfectly as is. Its not at the mythic level at all. Its in between heroic and mythic

Dungeon gear should never even be on par with raiding. It’s your choice not to raid because of your own personal reasons.

[Hateoraid-dragonmaw (Hateoraid)]

M+ was a lazy attempt to keep dungeon runners engaged for longer periods of time. It is just another part of Blizzard’s lazy approach to the game now, by adding yet another form of scaling content that really doesn’t have an end goal.

If you love this stuff and don’t care about new content, then more power to you. I personally think we are sacrificing a lot of new content by just being satisfied running the same stuff over and over.

M+ is not a lazy attempt. M+ is extremely engaging and much more dynamic than raiding. Raiding is the same, every time. Same boss, same mechanics. Not to mention you get access to 100’s of step-by-step guides on Youtube within the first few weeks of it being released.

Not sure what type of new content you are referring to either… raids? Quests?

I’d rather have excellent dungeons that are infinitely challenging than a bunch of new WQ’s.

[Plantains-shattered-hand (Plantains)]

I’ve been here since the open beta for vanilla. Not new here. At all. But you mean that something they’ve done in the past determines what we should expect from them? Kinda like doing exactly this same thing last season and the ilvl not being reduced like you’re crying about? Why should I care what you believe? You’re more than within your rights to be paranoid and delusional about anything and everything. Have at it. I was asking you to prove your claim that Blizzard told us something and as we all knew the outcome was going to be when called on it your claim was a lie.

You ignored the fact that blizzard removed portals in the ptr and did not tell anyone about it until compelled to. You dont need to believe anything. History gives me cause for concern. You can choose to step away from this topic anytime you want. I do not need to convince you of how blizzards communication team has a history of making things in the ptr permanent in live with little annoucement information to show it. If you claim to know all these things and dont want to believe any of it that is on you.

[Lokaa-wyrmrest-accord]

As it stands mythic plus gives 5 ilvls less than mythic raiding for a weekly chest of 410 loot that can titandorge to 420. Mythic raiders get 415 loot that can titanforge to 425 loot.

You are correct about the base reward being 5 i-levels less, but the 410 loot from the weekly chest can titanforge up to 425, it’s not capped at 420.

Edit: my bad, weapons would cap at 420 because 10 is the max for those.

[Plantains-shattered-hand (Plantains)]

You are correct about the base reward being 5 i-levels less, but the 410 loot from the weekly chest can titanforge up to 425, it’s not capped at 420.

It is very rare for that to happen for just one. Now if you are a mythic raider getting 2-4 pieces per week you can have 2-4 pieces titanforge to 425 each week. Mythic raiding still beats mythic plus in terms of raw quantity of gear and raw possibilities of titanforging.

[Vadimier-tanaris (Vadimier)]

It is. Folks really need to thoroughly read before they make knee-jerk posts.

That being said, I think the cap to get the best gear from m+ needs to be raised to at least +15. Give more folks a reason to improve and push on up a bit.

[Nyl-sisters-of-elune]

You can choose to step away from this topic anytime you want.

I’m also free to sit here and point out how you’re playing the role of chicken little with zero evidence to support the claim that you’re making also. I choose to do that.

Blizzard announced that they would bring down the weekly chest rewards to heroic level quality.

So what you’re backpedaling into now is that statement above that you made wasn’t true. Why should I believe someone who will be openly dishonest?

[Lokaa-wyrmrest-accord]

It is very rare for that to happen for just one. Now if you are a mythic raider getting 2-4 pieces per week you can have 2-4 pieces titanforge to 425 each week. Mythic raiding still beats mythic plus in terms of raw quantity of gear and raw possibilities of titanforging.

Respectfully, that hasn’t been my experience at all. Nor has it been for many of my guildmates.

[Hateoraid-dragonmaw (Hateoraid)]

Dungeon gear should never even be on par with raiding. It’s your choice not to raid because of your own personal reasons.

Why not? The hardest part about Mythic raiding is the commitment. It’s the same boss, same fight, every time. Second is getting 20 people to not mess up on one pull.

M+ changes week to week and the composition of your group can make a huge difference in your strat. I agree +10 isn’t as ‘hard’ as some mythic bosses, but you should definitely be able to earn mythic ilvl loot from doing higher M+ (insert appropriate m+ level here).

[Jugaa-arthas (Jugaa)]

I agree +10 isn’t as ‘hard’ as some mythic bosses, but you should definitely be able to earn mythic ilvl loot from doing higher M+ (insert appropriate m+ level here).

I agree with the poster who said +15:

That being said, I think the cap to get the best gear from m+ needs to be raised to at least +15. Give more folks a reason to improve and push on up a bit.

[Vadimier-tanaris (Vadimier)]

Personally I enjoy m+ a heck of a lot more than raiding.

Probably due to the fact that I run with a dedicated group of friends and my raiding guild was killed by BFA but… still!

[Amirii-echo-isles]

It’s a good change. Pushes people to push higher keys and not just do the bare minimum.

I don’t think Blizzard should cater to Method raiders though because they’re such a hardcore guild, that it doesn’t represent the rest of Blizzard’s subscribers

[Shaethos-malganis]

Not necessarily at all.

A lot of BiS trinkets, rings (main method of secondary stats) and azerite all come from mythic+.

And doing even the bare minimum of 1 a week is a lot of loot after a while.

Remember we are comparing this to 8/9 mythic, which is about a factor of 7000 more difficult above pugging a weekly +10.

They could be BIS is they forged high enough, which is my point saying the person doing 9/9 M and M20s is most certainly going to have substantially better itemization because of the sheer volume of loot coming to that toon.

The casual toon will never be better geared even if ilvl is the same.

[Plantains-shattered-hand (Plantains)]

So what you’re backpedaling into now is that statement above that you made wasn’t true. Why should I believe someone who will be openly dishonest?

You are purposefully taking my statements out of context. Goodbye.