Megathread: Twilight Highlands Allied Races - DRAGONMAW Orcs and WILDHAMMER Dwarves

Wildhammer, yes. You can indeed paint a Bronzebeard Dwarf to produce a reasonable facsimile.

Dragonmaw, no. No ashen/purple skin for Orcs, no glowing amber eyes.

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What are you- Wait a sec!

Two things on this.

  1. Wildhammer without their stormhammers and their gryphons are not wildhammers. We have at best just cosplaying Bronzebeard.

Real Wildhammer would have a stormhammer racial and racials pertaining to their gryphons.

  1. There were not skintones like the Dragonmaw clan added.

This I would generally accept, but I would still greatly prefer their cultures and peoples not being reduced in such a way.

I.E. I want the AR.

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This idea sounds awesome.

Fully support it.

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reminds me of the High Elf threads… hmmm, but carry on anyhow, just need like 100k comments before Blizzard will actually give a damn of what you want…

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To be fair, I have to disagree, what we’ve gotten from Blizzard, is Bronzebeard playing dress up.

If Wildhammer Dwarves actually got the full Allied Race treatment it be a huge different story, huge customisations could be added. Unique Beards with feathers and all, unique totems, more skins and hair styles, more tattoos, possible Lightning Eyes customisation :thinking:, Racials would definitely be different, juvenile gryphon ground mount and let’s not forget the huge thing, it will open up Druids to Alliance.

PvP Viscous Gryphon as a ground mount.

Their beards should be more rough, braided together held with feathers and other Ornaments, same with hair.

Honestly theirs so much that they can do to make them distinct enough from Bronzebeard and Dark Iron Dwarves… when Blizzard announced Wildhammer customisations for Bronzebeard, I was half happy and half dissapointed.

Wildhammer Dwarves have did so much for the Alliance and just to get blended in feels horrible, I can finally see why the High Elf groups are still pushing for unique race, cause it’s not the same.

They pretty much just trying to cross blend a whole unique distinct race, culture into another…

My biggest hope is the Allied Race treatment, but it’s a long shot id just be happy with if you use Wildhammer Tattoos, it should say you’re a Wildhammer Dwarf, I.e “Wildhammer Dwarf Shaman”, instead of Dwarf Shaman. Which they should change to Bronzebeard Dwarf for those not using the Tattoos.

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Gryphons are the easiest mount to get, and Storm Bolt is a Warrior talent. While I wouldn’t mind different racials, I’d rather get them via an alternate racial system so that this question doesn’t keep coming up for different clans and subraces. (Trolls and Orcs have a dozen to go through) so they can spend the allied race time on more impactful ones like Sethrakk.

you mean 2 races that can literally be made/rped as already in game? want a draggonmaw orc? mag orc with appropriate skin tones done. Want a wildhammer dwarf? play a dwarf with wildhammer tattoos done. Why take up 2 race slots for nothing more than a new racial which will prob be garbo?

Lucky Wildhammer Dwarves use storm hammers not storm bolt.

They throw a lightning charged hammer that stuns things. If you want everything RTS perfect then all Bronzebeards should be MM hunters with guns too.

Like I said

There are no Dragonmaw Orcs in alternate Draenor. It was quite a point of contention when they wholesale ignored the entire clan with Zuluhed not being among the Warlords roster. And again, you still can’t replicate the look even then.

Also, as I have stated many times, painting a Bronzebeard does not a Wildhammer make.

First and foremost, Allied Races have been more about cultural distinction than aesthetic distinction. Even putting aside all of the aesthetic differences that do exist (which are generally more pronounced than the existing options), the cultural differences between the Dragonmaw and Durotar Orcs are much greater than the Mag’har and Durotar Orcs. Just as the differences between Wildhammer and Bronzebeard Dwarves are greater than Ironforge and Dark Iron Dwarves.

There’s more than enough to work with. Certainly more than “tauren, but with antlers,” or “night elves, but shinier.”

brother you know dragonmaw orcs are literally blackrock orcs that when they came to azeroth killed and tamed dragons right? Also regular bronzebeard dwarves and wildhammer dwarves combined in cata which introduced shamans to the dwarf race (their totems are wildhammer totems) and the new body paint/tattoo cust? literally wildhammer. You can do both in game

But that didn’t make Wildhammer playable. Bronzebeard Shamans are still Bronzebeard. The Wildhammer was just trainers.

Also, are you forgetting the fact that the Council of Three Hammers are made up of three clans? The Dark Iron also started training Bronzebeard dwarves in the arcane and fel arts but yet, we have them as a separate, playable race…

And adding tattoos to a Bronzebeard does not make them Wildhammer. The three clans look completely different from each other.

Dark Iron have a grey to black skin color plus the blood of Ragnaros (flaming hair and eyes.)
Bronzebeard are just your typical LOTR dwarves.
Wildhammer are taller and leaner than the other three clans. Also, their skin is darker because they live above ground.

Wildhammer are more than tattoos.

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Ah yes just like how blood elves are different than high elves right? Nah they are the same thing and I dont think we should take up 2 new AR slots to appease a minority of players. Agree to disagree

Blizzard disagrees with you which is why they gave us Highmountain, Mechagnomes and Kul Tiran.

If you want to get really technical about it, the original incarnation of the Dragonmaw Clan was a collection of elite shamans from disparate clans that Rend and Maim assembled to train dragons after Zuluhed found the Demon Soul.

That was retconned by Golden when she wrote of the Dragonmaw Clan existing in pre-Dark Portal Draenor.

That was retconned again when they noted that the pre-Dark Portal incarnation of the Dragonmaw Clan were called “Nelghor-shomash,” a Clan famed for taming the native rylaks.

And again, they still weren’t present in the alternate Draenor under any name.

This is an AU Blackrock Orc:
https://cdn.blizzardwatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/maghar-orc-header.jpg

This is a Dragonmaw Orc:
https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/460112-grot-deathblow-grot-deathblow-new-model.jpg

Cultural differences aside, there’s some key physical differences there.

As for the Wildhammers…

https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/blog/images/13127-dark-iron-dwarf-shaman-totems.png

Does that look like a Wildhammer totem to you? Naw, man. 100% Bronzebeard. (Edit: As you noted below, yes, these are Dark Iron totems. My bad. But the fact that I confused the two just demonstrates how similar, culturally, Bronzebeard and Dark Iron are.)

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that skin tone is available for mag har orcs. just because you have to play a mag har doesnt mean you cant rp it as a blackrock if thats what you want. Those totems are dark iron totems not the “bronzebeard” totems so try again.

Highmountain and Mechagnomes are different enough even though its a bit of a stretch, but Kul Tirans I’ve always said were a dumb AR to add. Blizz prob just couldnt think of anything else that the horde wouldnt rage over.

I could RP a Gnome as a Dragonmaw Orc if I wanted to.

And yeah, I did too hastily link the Dark Iron totems there. :stuck_out_tongue: The Dwarf totems to have a feather sticking out of them. Fair enough. But it still highlights how culturally similar the Bronzebeard and Dark Iron are.

And as Tovi noted, Blizzard gave us Warlocks at the same time, noting that the Dark Iron influence gave us the class - they were even technically playable according to the line given to us at the time, since we had a pallid skintone. The red eyes ostensibly only came from Ragnaros’ corruption.

Yet we got Dark Iron separately.

Allied races do share similarities with their main race in most aspects. Doesnt mean we need more copies of the same races just for minor sects. I personally would much rather us get NEW races like Jinyu, Sethrak, or a diff reptile race but that is just me. I am aware other people want different things. I was on the High elf bandwangon myself really wanted the race but as others have said they are no diff than blood elves. same rule applies here imo