I’m not ignoring things that are bad. I’m ignoring your opinion on what you believe is bad.
There’s a difference.
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Right, because anyone that doesn’t agree with you is obviously wrong, for self evidence reasons. God, there isn’t an eyeroll emote big enough.
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We Worgen have been asking for tails for years. Welcome to the grind.
I have a number of problems with the existence of hunter pets:
- They come in far too many shapes and sizes.
- They move erratically due to the fact that blizz hasn’t mastered the technology to be able to match player movement speed with NPC’s.
- They get in the way of my ability to view my character.
- They get in the way of spell animations, boss abilities etc.
- They get in the way of my ability to click on and interact with quest NPC’s.
People might just say to “get over it”. But last time I checked, my character wasn’t messing with your ability to see your character in such a manner (especially since every BM hunter has that talent that spawns 2 pets, making it doubly worse than the issue would otherwise be and thus making them a triple threat once you include the hunter themselves).
But wait, what’s that I hear you say? What about warlocks and DK’s? Yes, they’re annoying too. But no where near as bad as hunters. Warlocks and DK’s do not have access to the 10 billion shapes and sizes that hunters do. They cannot have 2 kodo-esque pets that cover half your screen if you partially zoom in etc. Warlocks and DK’s are consistent, expected and uniform (mostly). They have very limited pet options and cannot have multiple pets out permanently like a hunter can. So their impact on me is far lesser than that of a hunter.
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Well you’re seemingly not realizing that the Evoker is fun to play BECAUSE of the dragon form and the abilities that it allows the class to perform. You advocating to make the dragon form optional means that eventually those fun abilities will disappear from the class.
Which is quite bizarre considering that you could simply roll a Dracthyr mage and get full visage uptime and still be a spell caster.
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And you can’t seem to grasp that, no, evoker is fun because it’s a highly mobile casters with a fun gameplay loop based on essence abilities and empower abilities. None of what makes is fun intrinsically requires it to be dragon flavored at all. It happens to be so, which would be fine if the races wasn’t so crap looking to so many players. Because it is so, the class suffers unduely.
Whats more, and has been stated over and over again, you can keep the dragon flavor for the fun abilities (hover, deep breath, fire breath) and still make it so that you are in your visage form fot 90% of combat.
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I’d like more options than human and elf for Visage too – and also, if possible, to not show the Dracthyr form on character select.
It’d be fine if they weren’t absolutely hideous looking. 
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It would be a lot cooler to pop in and out of Dracthyr form for abilities that require it, then automatically revert.
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I agree. Use the dragon mode to outline moments when you are at your full power.
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Why is the class highly mobile? Could it be the wings?
Why does it have Empower abilities? Could it be because of their draconic breath?
How can you do something like Deep Breath or Hover without the dragon form? Would you have a character flying across the screen like superman shooting fire from its mouth? That would look completely silly.
There isn’t a significant difference between that and simply shifting into visage after combat is over. Further that level of form switching could cause performance issues.
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The entire concept of it being dragon related is skin deep. You could take literally anything that flies, with magic or otherwise, and adjust the flavor according if you wanted. Heck, change the breath attacks into charging your weapons and you could alter the whole thing to be tinker for crying out loud. It just happens to be dragon because dragon expac. Doesn’t mean it couldn’t be 1000% better implemented.
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That’s false. The abilities are dragon-based. Empower largely comes from the idea of charging up dragon breath. The specs are based on the dragonflights, and the visage form you covet so much is also from the draconic characters of WoW. Saying that the draconic aspect of the class is only skin deep is a huge misunderstanding of the nature of the Evoker class. There’s a reason only the Dracthyr race can be Evokers, and that’s not looking to change anytime soon.
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Evokers have a lot of abilities that don’t incorporate wing or breath attacks. Significance is a matter of opinion.
This feels pretty baseless. The game handles this sort of thing all the time as is. The reason it hasn’t been done yet is likely a combination of Blizzard’s preference for Evoker – which I disagree with, but is fair – and the fact it would require a lot of animation work, the same reason we have yet to see classes with race-specific visuals freed up for everyone.
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Fire breath → flamethrower
Deep breath → Bombing Run
Living flames → Hot Shot
Disintegrate → Disintegration Beam
Hover → Hover (but with jets)
Are you missing the point accidentally or strategically? The “lore reasons” for it being evoker is laughable, because the lore whatever blizz makes up. They could have taken the DESIGN of the class and used it for any FLAVOR they wanted.
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Considering that all three hero talent trees are based around wing and breath attacks, I’d say my opinion is rather sound.
This feels pretty baseless. The game handles this sort of thing all the time as is. The reason it hasn’t been done yet is likely a combination of Blizzard’s preference for Evoker – which I disagree with, but is fair – and the fact it would require a lot of animation work, the same reason we have yet to see classes with race-specific visuals freed up for everyone.
Can you name another instance where a character is constantly switching in and out of a form based on the ability they’re casting? I would argue it isn’t baseless because you’re going to be shifting in and out of dragon form constantly. I can’t imagine that that wouldn’t tax the game’s engine especially in hectic fights.
Also what abilities would trigger visage form? Living Flame? Ebon Might?
I’m not aware of bombs or flamethrowers shooting out of someone’s mouth. I’d also like to see someone preform a bombing run without a vehicle of some sort.
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Yes. Demon Hunter.
Living flames can be cast in Visage form NOW, so yes, I imagine it should be Visage form friendly. Again, make anything with a cooldown transform you temporarily, and make it so disintegrate doesn’t. EZ
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Still missing the point, I see. This was a follow up to my claim that you could take all the mechanics that make Evoker fun and apply it to any concept. I am not sure about you, but it’s not the fact that my abilities come out of my mouth that makes the class fun for me.
Yea, I’d love to play my evoker. Perma visage form would be CLUTCH, can’t stand the weird humanoid dargon.
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No they don’t. Demon Hunters abilities to look like demons for a split second are tied to abilities like Eye Beam which have cooldowns. Here we’re talking about consistently auto switching in and out of a form.
Living flames can be cast in Visage form NOW, so yes, I imagine it should be Visage form friendly. Again, make anything with a cooldown transform you temporarily, and make it so disintegrate doesn’t. EZ
You mean something like Azure Strike which activates dragon form and doesn’t have a cooldown?
Also Disintegrate should definitely transform you, since it’s a stream of magic coming from the mouth of the character. It’s a breath attack from Malygos.
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Coraxus and I went over a few earlier.
It just seems too speculative for me to offer a real counterargument – neither of us fully knows the extent to which it would impact performance, or how it could be addressed if it did. I literally have no idea if it would be a problem.
As far as substituting certain abilities goes, it certainly isn’t impossible to do so in a thematically appropriate way – it’s more the fact it would be pretty unrealistic to expect them to go that far in the first place.
It is what it is – I personally find Dracthyr as a race to be so uninteresting and poorly designed that Evoker may as well not exist for me, which is a shame because it’s frankly a lot more fun than mage, my go-to.
If I could, I’d rather have gotten a take on Dragonsworn from the RPG.
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