Except the Dracthyr form doesn’t hinder the performance of the class.
I’m not dismissing criticism, I’m dismissing silliness. The class is designed a certain way, and that way was made rather clear to everyone before it was released. And no, the fantasy doesn’t fit without the dragon form. The idea of an elf flying around like superman shooting fire out of its mouth is utterly stupid and should be dismissed completely.
Also what spells are you talking about? 90% of Evoker abilities require the dragon form to function. Again, if you’re seeking a spell caster that allows you to not look like a Dracthyr 100% of the time, you have several other spell casting classes to choose from.
''The class was designed a certain way"—sure, and so were plenty of other things in WoW before Blizzard changed them based on player feedback. If the game stuck to “this is how it was designed,” we’d still have one spec per class that is viable and be grinding resistance gear for every raid.
Also, the fantasy argument? Yeah, let’s not pretend WoW’s lore hasn’t been bent like a wet noodle every expansion. We have gnome warriors, lightforged warlocks, and a literal spaceship in Outland. But somehow an elf flinging fire is where we draw the line? C’mon.
And about those abilities—Dracthyr can already cast most of their spells while in Visage form except for the charge-up ones. It’s not a technical limitation, it’s an arbitrary one. So why not let players have more choice if they want it? Or is “just play something else” the only solution you’ve got?
Again you’re talking about performance. How does the Dracthyr form hinder your performance while playing an Evoker? The reason Blizzard changed the items you’re talking about is because it hindered the ability of the class to do its job as a DPS, Healer, etc. The Dracthyr form does not do that. You’re making an aesthetics argument.
And about those abilities—Dracthyr can already cast most of their spells while in Visage form except for the charge-up ones. It’s not a technical limitation, it’s an arbitrary one. So why not let players have more choice if they want it? Or is “just play something else” the only solution you’ve got?"
This is completely false. Deep Breath, Breath of Eons, Azure Strike, Rescue, Verdant Embrace, Hover, etc. all require the Dracthyr form. I would recommend you actually play the class before you demand fundamental changes made to it.
And yeah, choosing a different spell caster is a choice. Do that before impeding on the class that actually does something unique and different.
So now we’re gatekeeping feedback based on ‘performance impact’? Blizzard has changed plenty of things purely for player preference—Shadowform glyphs, Worgen staying human, Druids picking shapeshifts. None of those ‘hindered gameplay,’ yet they were added because player choice matters.
And let’s not pretend Evoker needs dragon form 24/7. Most abilities work fine in Visage—Deviate Delight proves it. It’s just the charge-up spells that look weird, meaning this isn’t a major technical issue, just an arbitrary restriction.
As for ‘playing a different class is a choice’—yeah, and giving players more customization is also a choice, one Blizzard has made repeatedly. WoW evolves because players ask for changes, not because they blindly accept things as-is. But hey, if feedback bothers you so much, maybe your choice should be to ignore discussions about improving the game.
I would love to see Dracthyr dragon form get more than what 6 colors for armor that dont match most of the stuff you see ingame… We get a belt and shoulders and none of them have matched the colors of the Dragon forms limited pallets. Its kind of silly. I understand the back is going to look odd due to the wings but lets be honest its more a Blizzard is lazy and dont want to model armors in the game to fit the Dragon form. I would be fine with skipping helmits 100% BTW.
Whilst sen and I are on opposite sides of this dracthyr issue, the fact that she’s the only one here who seems to acknowledge the fact that what other people do, how they play, what they look like etc, does in fact, impact other people’s gameplay and enjoyment of the game, is refreshing to say the least.
It’s the same reason why I despise hunter players. Their pets directly negatively impact my gameplay.
Permanent visage form makes sense for some of the other classes, but not all. Mage for example, you’re concealing your true strength from your enemies. Why let them know your true strength of Dracthyr form? Instead you can look like a half elf and fool your enemies, revealing your true self when you need the extra strength or want to get the upper hand.
I’m not talking gameplay mechanics, just lore wise/in universe.
Seems like they are pretty adamant they don’t want permanent visage form for evokers, and for some reason people want to stop others from playing the way they want. Half this thread is saying there shouldn’t be an option for others even though it wouldn’t affect them at all, because they could continue to use dracthyr form if they wanted.
That said, there is a lot of things they could do to improve choice and visuals for players without permanent visage.
-Different visage form race options
-Separate transmog options for visage and dracthyr forms
-More options for dracthyr armors at the barbershop, the ones we have don’t match even with any of the tier sets so far. The colors and theme are completely different.
-Turn into dracthyr automatically when casting empowers, soar, deep breath etc. just like it does now, except turn back into visage automatically when done casting instead of when you leave combat
Transmog is one of my favorite parts of this game as it is for many others, and evokers get the short end of the stick. There has been so many ideas on this forums and Blizzard has done actually zero of them.
And once again you have the choice to play a different class. Let’s not ruin an original class simply because you want another elf mage. And yes, making visage permanent would ruin the Evoker class.
Go play a mage where you can be a visaged Dracthyr 24/7 and leave true fans of this class in peace.
How would someone being in visage form ruin evokers or affect your experience in anyway? You can continue to play in Dracthyr form or play a different class if you wanted to as well. A lot of people think the evoker class is super fun but don’t like the aesthetic.
Literally same thing could be said for evokers. Hiding your true power until you unleash your big empower spells or deep breath. Actually now that I am typing it out, it actually makes even more sense for an evoker than it does a mage.
Except Evoker powers rely on the Draconic abilities of a Dracthyr. You can stay in Visage for some of your abilities but then when you use empowering or purely dragon-esque abilities, you’re popped into Dracthyr form.
Not really sure why that’s difficult to understand.
From a class theme PoV I kinda get it. Most skills are fine but Fire Breath doesn’t quite feel like something they should be able to do as visage. If they wanted Evokers to be able to be in visage they would have added it when we got the classes.
With that said I’m not claiming to be dead-set against it. Just haven’t been convinced it’s a good idea.