You are wrong. Try to go buy food or pay rent with nothing. Let’s see how that goes.
By all means he can and should stop if donations don’t make it worth it to him. He can also set donation goal posts for updates to the addon. But when you try things like that paywall, you end up like that twitch girl screaming how cheap people don’t even have $5
That doesn’t change the point. You keep trying to be like “aside from the TOS issues”. The TOS is all that matters, number 1.
Number 2: As I have said repeatedly, my only qualm with what this creator did was he gave something out for free first and then took it away from people who already had it to try and vice grip them into paying him, which is why he got hit so hard with the backlash he did. If he had made his addon with the intent of being paid off rip, and the payment model was included off rip, none of this would have blown up in the manner that it did, aside from TOS issues.
As a creator myself, that’s wrong. No matter how you spin it, that’s not right.
Blizz gives people a free trial, then asks people to pay?? Are they crappy too?
Before you post…yada yada yada, i know you will think it’s different. You’re a content creator, you’re a gig economy worker, etc… etc… Doesn’t change the fact that grocery stores expect payment and so do landlords and banks.
Clearly, I think people should be compensated if they choose to be and you do not. We can all move on.
A free trial is a free trial, and is marketed as such first. Again, understand the problem. The problem is not that he sought to be compensated. I keep telling you that. The problem is he took something the people already had without warning and told them they had to pay him to get it back.
If the addon said “This is a free trial version for a week”? No one would care. If the addon had a payment model off rip? No one would care. Understand the point is taking something people already had away from them without warning and then charging them. That’s the issue. How hard is it to understand that proper communication with your consumer base is something we, as giggers, should be doing?
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Agreed. An argument could be made that maybe the TOS needs to change to allow content creators to earn a profit from their work, but until it is changed, it’s irrelevant.
Also, can you imagine how up in arms players would be if suddenly all their favorite add-ons were behind paywalls? Yikes.
I do wish there was an easier way for creators to link to a donations page. I know they’re out there and if one really wants to find it, they can, but it can be tedious for people who just want to drop a creator a quick $5-$10 in appreciation.
Because he is mooching off of Blizzard’s product. His “product” doesn’t exist if not for WoW. He does not have rights to WoW. They also have explicit language for this which he chose to ignore.
According to Blizz, this is not okay. Spending $57,000 USD worth of gold to win a world first race, though, that is okay.
Honestly, the way I’ve learned about it as a small streamer is donations and subscriptions come when people like what you do. They will actively seek ways in which to assist you grow your business.
I’m unbelievably thankful I found streaming and found an income in it. And that’s why every stream I do my best to be as interactive as possible, and answer questions as thoroughly as possible because I’m grateful people like what I do enough to donate and say “keep doing it”. That’s a wonderful feeling.
The addon creator in his Twit longer outright says he never had a hard time getting people to dislike him, which means he recognizes he could be better involving interactions and getting people to be more sympathetic to him. I think that says a lot. And as I said in my original post, absolutely no one should be getting death threats over something like this. I hope he finds a better future no matter what he does and makes amends with whoever.
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And streamers don’t exist, but for Twitch/youtube.
Doordash doesn’t exist, but for restaurants.
Amazon doesn’t exist, but for the companies that make the products they sell.
There are entire industries that would not exist, but for a product or other industry.
The problem with patreon begging is that everyone has a patreon and is begging. If I supported every addon author and artist I follow on social media through patreon I’d be paying hundreds of dollars a month.
It’s just not reasonable.
In case you are confused, I was not defending Blizz. I was telling the poster what they think.
I honestly wish he would just delete his addon at this point. I would enjoy watching the entitled people explode.
The point for me has never been about TOS – it’s about him benefiting from his product. Even though it is reliant on the existence of WoW.
At first I thought that’s what he should do, but there are already copies of the add-on out there. People would pick those up and would think even less of the original creator (Nnoggie?). I think he made the right correction here, though it’s awful he received the hate he did. That should never have happened.
quick somebody sue all the companies that produce guides to video games
movie critics? more like MOOCHie critics
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If the companies making the games those guides are about were saying it’s not allowed, you would have a point.
Or the guides were at first given for free and then the makers came to your house to take them away and charge you to get them back.
Does anyone actually believe his story, and think he isn’t just making it up to try and garner a bit of sympathy?
No idea what he’s normally like.
it’s a new version of software. he’s not hacking into peoples’ computers and deleting old versions. you just have to pay for the new ones.
Not really, but if he did receive death threats it wouldn’t surprise me because people act like selfish children.
Apparently he made some sexist remarks & is a bit obnoxious.
No, but since everyone (or close enough) uses an auto updater, it caught all of us by surprise if we updated before the news was spread.
And you conveniently dodged my other point.