how many mythic guilds have you raided in? like actual CE mythic guilds, not “we get a couple of mythic kills at the end of the tiers that last a year or more”?
you mean the aotc heroes that play at mythic, not actual mythic raiders? cuz i’ve never seen actual mythic raiders cry about anything like that except they didn’t want to be forced to no life mythic+ 24/7 to keep up with raiding. which isn’t at all the same thing as wanting to raid log.
Master Loot opens the opportunity for Master Looter to abuse the system.
I played in Vanilla. My Guild Leader forced the guild to agree that he should get Binding for Thunderfury. He Master Looted it for himself.
I played Classic last year. Again, my guild leader fooled the Guild that he must have the Binding for Thunderfury. He Master Looted it for himself.
The guild leader master looted Thunderfury for himself. Master Loot has better term. The correct term is NINJA. The guild leader NINJA’D Thunderfury for himself.
Nope, never. I dont want anybody ninja’ing my loots even my Guild Leader.
I try harded in vanilla, TBC, and nighthold. Mythic raiding is a miserable experience, largely because most of the mechanics feels designed to punish the entire raid for one guys screw ups, but they moved away from the boss explicitly calling out the baddies.
That led to toxic situations where we all knew it was the DH dps, but social mores (he was friends with some of the not baddies) led to our strategies being designed to protect melee dps from themselves, at the expense of someone else(usually the healers or the tanks).
Combine with blizzards confusing information hiding, with difficult content, and raiding is generally not very good content. Needing an add-on to reliably see what the boss is even doing, is just terrible encounter design.
Getting rid of trade restrictions will essentially reintroduce masterloot. Top end guilds will decide where everything goes to further guild progress.
Master loot was already restricted to guild groups (at least 80%) when they removed it. It had nothing to do with ninja’s or making sure the greedy people can get items that aren’t even upgrades for them. The change was exclusively so Blizzard could have an iron clad grip on how loot is distributed. And of course the moment they got full control over it what do they do? GREATLY reduce loot across the board.
If masterloot were still around their reduced loot would basically force any guild that wants to compete to use Masterloot. And then the discrepancy between masterloot guilds and non masterloot players would be so obvious it would undermine their reduced loot system.
i’ve never been called out for being a “lfr hero” my lack of io or my equipped gear by a mythic raider. i get likes and commentary on how to improve my play from them all the time. the super toxic ones who call me names and attack everything about my toons? heroic raiders. who love mythic+. legends in their own minds. the only ones who actually actively try to gatekeep and do everything they can to not only trash anyone whos progression that is lower than theirs (noob casuals) but also those who do things they could never do (no lifeing ce raiders, no one cares. you don’t need the best loot.)
Oh yes, I need that intellect staff!
Hehehe, nobody will know 
MT GM i assume? who should’ve gotten it? a fury warrior? a rogue? 
yes, that’s how team games work. it’s not “unfair” if your soccer team loses the game because your goalie isn’t paying attention – it’s part of the game. (if you don’t like the game itself, fair enough! but that’s not a design flaw.)
that’s bad leadership, plain and simple. sorry you had that experience. my mythic experience was very different and maybe i was just lucky. if you messed up consistently, you sat no matter who you were. it was understood that people had bad days – you’d come back in the next day, it wasn’t “this guy died three pulls in a row to X, he’s benched forever”.
The Hunter, of course. It’s a Hunter Weapon.
a good guild is like an in game family. you don’t need to be at a mythic level to have it. sometimes even the GM has to sit if they can’t perform. i sat myself as RAID LEAD in a guild for a boss because i was so flustered i wasn’t being helpful. (i hope you die forever, MOTHER.) that’s the thing about guilds and working as a team. no one person is any more important than the whole.
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So, I really can’t get over how abysmally wrong you are. I just want to preface this by saying I know you’re a troll, and you don’t believe any of what you’re saying, but I want to say my piece regardless.
Most trials generally are brought to farm bosses where the core already has most gear. If a massive upgrade drops, yes it will likely go to a core raider…but to imply that trials get no loot at all is pretty disingenuous, but you go on with your bad self, bruh.
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i did a heroic run as a trial for a mythic guild during nighthold. they gave me literally every single thing that dropped that i could use. dude even chastised me for not rolling on both capes that dropped. but yeah. ML guilds are totally greedy and trying to steal loot from trials. ended up not working out for other reasons. mostly because i’d never done above a normal raid at that point and was traumatized, but you know.
I love personal loot and hate master loot. I don’t care who disagrees. The days of pressures of giving upgrades away or trusting people behind pixels to make the right calls are gone and they will never come back.
But the real reason the change happened is because it eliminated a TON of work for customer service settling loot disputes.
Are you living on a perfect world? In reality, there is this called “FAVORITISM”.
I know how to play on a Vanilla/Classic Guild… to fool them… that I am their favorite. I completed the whole Giantstalker Set while the nobody hunter who has been with the raid for 8 weeks never got’n a single piece. Becoz I am the favorite.
That guild later disbanded becoz of DRAMA. Becoz of the Loot Council so biased with their favorite people. That was my ticket to exit Classic. I got bored anyway becoz I am unkillable on 5-man dungeons and I dont want to farm for grey items for vendor to buy my level 60 mount.
the entire classic “experiment” was a joke. and nothing even in the same universe as a current tier mythic guild. the entire point of classic was to lord things over others. that’s not the case with mythic raiders. people flocked to classic to relive glory day fantasies and get BiS loot they never got, before. you cannot even compare the two in any meaningful way.
Same experience here. I jumped from heroic to mythic during Blast Furnace (went from a guild working on the H version to a guild working on the M version). Even as a trial I got free roll on almost anything I wanted from every farm boss, since for the most part nobody needed any upgrades off those bosses by that point.
For any guild that actually cares about progression, if they think you’ve got enough potential to be worth trialing, they’re going to gear you up so you can join progression ASAP. A few shards a week don’t outweigh the value of a geared, competent new team member.
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I disagree. I think players don’t like the deciding factor being in any players’ hands, honestly. For some reason, they feel better about an AI doing it.
Heck, when I was playing Classic and being a PuG for other Guilds, I went in knowing I wouldn’t get diddly squat. So, I only rolled on pieces that nobody else was rolling on. Some (not all) were STILL getting upset, that I was getting Loot despite not being a part of the Guild. And, it’s like…is the Shard/Vendor Price more important than the Item actually being used? 
We’ll see. Until then, if anybody wants their ML fix, ML is still available in Classic.
Care to link to said interview, by any chance?
I’m not. I like options. Have BOTH a PL and ML system. Let people who want to PL, PL. And, those of us who want to ML to ML.
yep. i had posted on my realm forums and i was messaged in game and asked to trial. and they bent over backwards for me. i just couldn’t personally get over the mental thing. my wife and other people whos opinion i respect tell me i’m better than i think i am but in my mind they were gonna figure out how much i sucked eventually and then kick me. XD but they were a good group of dudes and they were entirely good to me while i was in their guild. they even asked me to stay as a casual member when i told them i couldn’t raid with them. also like 10 people in the guild gratz’d me when i got legion flight and commented telling me how awesome it was. probably one of the better guilds i’d been in. i just got flustered. not their fault though.
That isn’t what I found. It really wasn’t all that hard to use those addon things.