A lot of overall DPS depends on the group, but my 240 Warlock does 13K pretty easily and I have no idea what I’m doing.
Looking forward to tier that’s isn’t a joke!
My demo lock friend and fury warr don’t have 4 set do 17-20k.
The issue isn’t what dps bm has , the issue how is how it Compares to other classes.
This doesn’t affect people who run with the same group. It affects pugs where metal classes are pretty required
BM Hunter:
No tier? 7K
2 pc? 8K
4pc? 8.4K!!!
Wooooohoooo!!!
I got my 4th piece this morning in LFR. Figured losing 2 item levels, but gaining the 4pc would be a net gain. I was wrong.
Just by sims, I lost ~50 dps in single target. In Dungeon Slice, I lost ~110 dps.
4pc over 2pc couldn’t even overcome a 2 item level deficit.
Add ferals now to the list of classes with better aoe than BM. Ran an 18 SD with a feral that finished 15k plus overall dmg on details. His dmg was equal or greater on most pulls. His single target was damn good.
Instead of making a list of classes and specs that beat BM on overall mythic plus…I’ll make a list of specs that don’t. I bet it’s a very short list.
ARMS? Not sure since fury is so ridiculous I have no idea what a good arms can do in mythic plus. Judging by dungeon sims it could be close.
RET?- same as above. Just don’t see alot of them I’m in groups. I see less of them than feral.
SP?- they usually finishing fairly high overall but not sure how their aoe is.
Those are the only specs I have ran into where I felt as if I knew I would beat them. Every other spec not mentioned above I have seen them do 16-21k dps overall in mythic plus on details. And some of these weren’t as geared. Even had a rare aff lock whoop me still spamming seeds like it was S2.
When I run into a equally geared and skilled person of those classes it’s not competitive. I feel ok doing 18s and a few 19s so far but now I run into situations where I’m doing my job but I’m kinda getting carried.
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?? Didn’t you say in this thread that I’m inflating numbers ? So I told you I was going to take snips of my overall because you claim that we do 8-10k dps?
Now that I took snips of my overalls on every dungeon, you don’t want to talk about it? Man you’re a funny guy!
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All this arguing about overall dps in keys seems to forget that it depends largely on how the dungeon is pulled. When I run with tanks that pull two or three packs at a time, I end the run at 15-17k overall. If the tank is conservative and pulls each pack on it’s own, I end the run at 10-11k overall.
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??? Post on your main this doesn’t make sense . If a tank pulled one pack at a time I would be the top DPS in a dungeon with the elders legendary ???
Yeah you’re right that overall dps is dependent on how a tank pulls, but what ur saying doesn’t make much sense .
@Legolaso I am not going to bother with you because as it was pointed out to me earlier, its useless. You are not here for a honest discussion on what’s wrong with the spec, or ways to improve it, or to help others, you are just here show people how big a %^$# you have. So despite your protestations,i will leave you wil this: no matter how good you think you are, no matter how much you claim that you are amazing and can dominate all, the data accumulated to date shows that at your very best you will still be beaten out by every single class/spec in the game. Have a nice day.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/29#dataset=100
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/25#
Talk about making no sense. Wild Spirits has a two min cd. If you waited for that cd for every pull, you’d never come close to timing a key. Recent buff to beast cleave is a lot more damage when multiple packs are pulled. Definitely more than the extra damage you get from elders on a small pack. Claiming otherwise means you’re either lying to support your argument or just don’t understand your spec.
As for my main, I’m 272 item level with 4 piece tier. Just yesterday, I ran an 18 HOA with a bear tank and finished the run with 15.3k overall, because the bear was pulling two or three packs throughout the dungeon. Later I ran a 16 Mist with a pally tank that pulled conservatively and I ended the run with 12.2k overall. Big pulls = big meters.
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All this ego comparing aside of dumb log comparisons that are all in a vacuum and really mean nothing. BM does need a buff. You can think what you want of BM’s “skill ceiling” or whatever when mentioning it. But in reality the thing about BM is it takes a grand amount of effort to simply match or catch up to the numbers of other hunter specs in AoE, or barely beat them in ST. Not to mention BM is absolutely crap for raid given all the AoE fights. Our 2pc/4pc needs either a buff or a rework or some significant ability buffs are gonna need to happen if were even gonna be competitive.
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They should have called our tier set “FartStalker”…it stinks that badly.
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#buffbm this Tier set is utter trash.
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I was a decent BM Hunter from Legion and BFA. On Shadowlands, I switched to MM.
My favorite game on WoW is Mythic+ and Mythic+ is known for AoE-fest fights and I never felt BM as inferior although there were bugs on early Legion but it was addressed on later patches.
BM’s main weapon is their PET… their attacks from Range weapon are abysmal. So when you AoE as BM, you depend much on Beast Cleave of your pet… and I am pretty solid then that Beast Cleave depends much on FRENZY. If you want superior Beast Cleave, you should have awesome Frenzy. And Frenzy depends on HASTE stats.
WHen you look at BM Hunter guide nowadays, nobody discusses about the Haste stats. My speculation is that the BM Hunter community is misinformed. I remember back then my Haste > Crit… but later in the patch, my Haste almost equal Crit… at very high levels. When I look at BM people’s Haste stats right now, they are abysmal.
Sorry I cant prove my speculation since I dont want to play BM yet as I am enjoying playing MM. It seems nothing is wrong on BM specs. It’s just players forget about Haste stats.
The sweet spot for being able to keep frenzy up almost all the time easily is around 23% haste (with the conduit that knocks one second off barbed shot cd). I find any lower and its a bit of a struggle and frenzy falls off occasionally. Sims say that after that crit and verse give greater dps increases. So if you are seeing BM’s with lower than 20% haste they are definately hurting themselves.
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Dochunter is a prime example of why most any legitimate claim regarding BM isn’t taken seriously. Talk about a master class in not knowing how to read and understand logs.
Are you really under the impression that the entire Hunter community has just missed the importance of Frenzy and Haste? People figure out BM’s best gearing choices for both ST and AoE via simulations. BM is not secretly far better because the thousands of people who play Hunter apparently forgot Haste exists.
Compare what BM gets in SL in terms of AoE v.s. Legion and BFA. In those two expansions we had borrowed power that specifically and significantly buffed our AoE capability. That’s not the case any more, and add to that the capping of Beast Cleave to 8 targets.
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Holy frick, he is right!
How could we not see it?! Nobody has ever talked about Haste, it has been completely forgotten! All guides only mention Crit, Versa and Mastery. I knew there was something missing, but i couldnt just put my finger on it… Now i know again. BM is saved!
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I looked at his raid logs and they have a hard time managing frenzy stacks. In one of the fights I compared uptime and it was about 50%
The Hunter community is usually driven by the guides like on Icy Veins. And Icy Veins keep on mentioning stacking Crit, Mastery and Agi… and no indication about Haste as if Haste is like a garbage stats of BM. They didnt mention that Haste has important role on Frenzy. And Frenzied Pets is responsible for awesome beastcleave damage.
Now look at M+, they consider BM now as garbage specs mostly becoz of poor AoE dps. I understand current borrowed powers is not doing good enough to support BM’s AoE. But last season, BM was fine in M+, it means their covenant and legendary powers were somewhat okay last season. And now on Season 3, BM seems left behind. And many BM Hunters is questioning about their Tier set bonus. Most of them regard their tier sets as garbage. But when I look at the 2-pc bonus, it’s indirectly powered by Frenzy. Looking at most BM Hunter’s Haste stats that would propel their Frenzy, you would see abysmal Haste numbers. No wonder, BM with 2pc Tier bonus has ROFL Frenzy causing massive failure on AoE DPS.
Of course, these are all my speculation. I have to prove it but I am not a BM right now. All I know was I had an OP AoE DPS back then and my secret… not really a secret is I had Pets who are Frenzied most of the time especially during Beast Cleaves. And the reason why I had high uptime of Frenzy is just becoz I stacked Haste. But look at many BM Hunters now, they thought that their main weapon is their Range weapon… never. It is always their Pet/s as their main weapon. GG.
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