Yes very true why I have a demo lock now lol
Like why would you bring a bm hunter ?? Frost mage would bring Lust and have more survivability.
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Dochunter will do anything to dispute your dps cuz he canât do it himself . Pay no attention . His logs are silly .
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It is how it works. Itâs easy to see:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9db1z8NfX3VgaYCQ#fight=33&type=damage-done
Look at damage done in both, 22.96m. But the dps shown is different. Now look at the dps chart for the beginning of the run. Shows the times it was recording 0.
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You can also get your active dps in WCL, the same value that Details uses. Itâs in the tooltip if you mouseover the active percentage.
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Well, this has gone far off the railsâŠ
If you guys wna continue to compare logs, thatâs fine I guess. But if the goal is to actually deduce where BM is relative to other specs, then there are far better, more comprehensive/complete sources that show the current state of the spec. Rather than looking at singular logs.
Looking at those other sources, BM isnât in a particularly good state.
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People fail to understand your point.
I agree its gotten off the rails, and that is all my fault. In my defense, the whole issue with logs was brought up because a small number of BM hunters claim they do this amazing dps in all their +15 keys (12-16K normally), topping their meters, and besting every class out there therefore BM hunter is in a good spot for M+ and everyone else needs to âget gud.â This kind of assessment however doesnât match up with the sources of metadata we have available, or match with my personal observations, so i ask to see âproof.â Thatâs where the discussion went sideways. Now to get us back on track, I wont continue to ask for proof, i will just simply say âgood jobâ and point out the statistics page for M+ on Warcraft logs as well as the statistics page for Mythic SotFO and let people make their own conclusions. Have a good day you all
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I just want to add that I checked my logs, and my WCL dps is not far off of what details typically shows. I run active dps in details. But with 95% logs, I am in the 8-10k range, not the 12-15.
What I see, though is that while we are often more consistent than some other classes, we donât have the burst for those big pulls. My tank keeps pushing me to try survival, because he wants to try crazy things that only work if large groups die quickly, and at least for that type of strategy, bm is in the gutter.
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Same. 8-10K. Closer to 8 honestly.
I run with a Prot Pally who finishes at 7K+ in almost every key. 
FWIW, my new Warlock does 10-11K (easily) in 100% ZM quest gear. More DPS even at -20 ilvl.
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Just did a Mists 21 and i died once and my overall was 13.9K
Contact me VIA discord at Calzone#8759 i do not have the privilege to post the picture.
I suspect if i didnt die ( which was during my wildspirits cooldown, i would have done overall 14.5kish.)
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I agree with you. I M Plus 15 keys and 267 I can easily hit 12k and 15 in a really good group.
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Yeah I just did 14.2 in halls 20. Waiting for these guys on the forums to contact me on discord . Snipping everything now just to show them 10k dps is baaaaad
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I will say the BM needs a buff but most of the time kids dont know how to play BM at a macro lvl.
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Ur 262 ilvl doing 8? Something is seriously wrong with your gameplay.
The dps I do matches the people in my group. We all end at like 9k average no matter the dungeon. Fire mage, dh, bm. None of us have 4 piece. Weâre currently timing 17s and working our way up. Any pug group I join, itâs the same story with some outlier Warriors and Demo locks that I have seen put up the number range you are talking about.
I believe you, I just donât see it in my gameplay, nor do I see a change of strat that would make that much of a difference.
But, iâve only mained bm since this patch, even though it has been my favorite to play since I discovered it during bfa. It just hasnât fit with my group until now, and even now it isnât the best fit to my comp. So I have appreciated some of the advice you have given in these threads. I just donât see the results you speak of in personal practice.
i dont have a 4 set and im doing about 13.5-15k. However, Dochunter seems to think this is not true, and what iâm saying is inflated. Waiting for him and tinker to contact me on discord for the snips im taking.
Doc already reported me because he didnât like my proof. 18 mists did around that 14.6, are we below warriors yes, but are we feral Druidâs thank god no.
And we proved they were looking at logs wrong they canât even admit they were wrong.
@Wizbank, @Legolaso I am not going to bother with you two because as it was pointed out to me earlier, its useless. You are not here for a honest discussion on whatâs wrong with the spec, or ways to improve it, or to help others, you are just here show people how big a %^$# you have. So despite your protestations,i will leave you wil this: no matter how good you think you are, no matter how much you claim that you are amazing and can dominate all, the data accumulated to date shows that at your very best you will still be beaten out by every single class/spec in the game. Have a nice day.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/29#dataset=100
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/25#
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Also
Warcraftlogs dot com /zone/statistics/29/#dataset=99
This is at the 99th percentile of dps for raid rankings