Because blue posts in the CM forums and here on the old forum before this one was replaced have specifically told us this over the years.
I brought up this subject today on the CS forums. You can read a pretty detailed explanation here.
Note that in another thread posted today, it was added that squelches also receive email notifications (in addition to in-game messages).
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The problem is that people are getting hit with the punishment anyway and have to appeal to have it lifted. Which is a very annoying process especially if you get a GM who is having a bad day and refuses to read the appeal before hitting the no button
That blue gave a fantastic breakdown and explanation.
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Pretty much. On principle I want to cast shame on the players for buying their way through the game, but I also feel Blizzard needs 10x the shame cast at them for making a system that encourages it.
If a person could no-life an alt from 0-60 and then get it Heroic ready in like a stretch of 5-10 days, it would be a different story. This is really the tokens fault for making paid carries available to everybody, not just the players who make a crapload of gold.
Paid carries are always a thing, but when anyone can easily swipe a credit card and turn it into a sanctioned paid carry that gives Blizzard more money, well why wouldn’t they?
people would rather buy a carry than waste 5 hour putting together a pug team so after 1 wipe or 2 everyone leaves and noone accomplishes anything.
LFG tool with m + m and hc should fix that not sure whats so wrong or difficult to do that.
This has been around since vanilla though. It was just done via RMT until WoW tokens and communities lol
You say this but have you ever led a pug? I’m 10/10M and lead a heroic pug every week and it’s not easy. Let alone asking an average or below average player to lead through content they barely understand
No one is engaging in multi-account or multi-character post reporting. Those that do get hit with bans and the bans for doing that aren’t short either.
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As someone that multiboxes still under the new rules, No… No they do not read the articles provided by blizzard. They click on videos with click bait headlines and read articles that blurt out X Y Z BANNED NOW IN WOW and don’t read the meat and potatoes of the article that actually EXPLAINS the rule change.
But it’s just like any other piece of news or articles, they read the headline roll with it and that’s it.
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This video is a PRIME example of that. Typed in “boosting banned wow” and this is the first vid that popped up. He goes over everything in detail of the new policy update… but how many people actually watched the vid fully?
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yea man people are just something else tbh.
despite i don’t like boosters and multiboxers i don’t report the legit ones. as long as they are legal they don’t bother me i don’t bother them.
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Exactly. I don’t mind people boxing in the rules (obv) and I don’t mind boosters boosting in the rules. I know it’s going to happen and honestly, what people do with their gold is their business. My issue was the big conglomerates using weirdo methods to advertise, websites, discords, all kinds of craziness in order to just constantly shove it in our faces along with often times using banned means to do it.
Did they RMT did they not? We don’t know, but Blizz does and Blizz made their stance for a reason.
Edit: boosters boosting and adverts being in the rules (forgot to put that in there)
probably was to cut down on the constant RMT companies like houkan probably with like 5+ toons sitting in org 24/7 in trade chat spamming. they probably sold carries, converted the gold into real money by selling that. im sure buying gold with real money via these 3rd party companies are cheaper then WoW token.
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To be fair, I heard that Huokan also engaged in the practice of filing false/bogus language reports against their smaller “mom and pop” guildie/group of friends boosting competitors in trade chat.
Basically if you were undercutting/selling boosts for significantly lower than Huokan you were at risk of getting a bogus silence from them. Because they have a gajillion level 1s/bank alts/accounts, they really did have the power to unilaterally silence others in trade chat.
So it’s not just casuals/LFR’ers/GD’ers filing bogus language reports, it was also the big organizations abusing the same tool versus their undercutting competitors.
The silence feature shouldn’t even exist tbh, it should just be removed from the game altogether and people can grow up/go back to simply using the existing Ignore feature (non-abuseable system).
It’s just waaay too easy to abuse, as we are seeing now in the immediate aftermath of the boosting ban bluepost.
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we have tried telling blizzard for awhile that the mass reporting system is massively abused and we have been ignored, lets hope they fix it and look into it propperly.
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They would also delete toons to bypass stuff too. I would slap one on ignore (full blown ignore not right click report spam) and few hours later see the exact same name etc pop back up again. I even tested that with 4 accounts (btw account wide ignore is NOT bnet wide which is stupid) and all 4 would see them posts again with that character NOT on the ignore list when they were in fact added.
Sure, we can go back to the previous consequence for spam, profanity, etc. Suspension from the game. That is what used to happen. You know quite well that Ignore is not an excuse for people who can’t follow the basic game rules.
Silence removes people from social features while still letting them play. It was felt to be a more fitting punishment for chat violations. If you prefer the old harsher punishment though, I am sure Blizz can accommodate you. They have recently started Suspending for chat violations again instead of a Silence so it might be going your way already.
The report system counts one report per account. Switching to diff alts to report does not add to the reports filed. It takes X reports from a unique account to trigger the systems. Of course, we don’t know what that number of reports is.
Right but if you had 30 level 1s posting in trade chat (seperate accounts) all in the same guild that are able to communicate with each other a simple, “Report x y z player in trade for language undercutting” triggering an auto squelch is doable with the capacity that they had on some servers.
They would get punished, sure, but they used accounts on new bnets (indicated by the murloc marker) so easy for em to just make another account delete the old toon put the toon name on account 2 and have at it again.
They would do it to bypass ignore functions in the game, why not something like that? And if it silenced the whole bnet, you can have up to 3bnets in your name so just make another toon on bnet two, ask for g invite and have at it.
Edit: reason I posted the picture is these are all houkan between 2 servers. HALF are zul’jin HALF are area 52.
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yea idk if they are just lazy to deal with this kind of stuff or what. maybe they fired all those workers so pretty much nobody doing that part of the job lmfao. only until it gets so damn bad for a long time do you ever see them deal with the issues. look at how long the boosting communities were going it’s been a LONG… time. same with the classic bots and multi boxer bots as well.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the Silence feature, but squelching absolutely needs to go because it allows a group of other players to dictate what others can say and do in-game, regardless of whether rules are being followed by the reported player.
At a bare minimum the squelching feature needs to be reverted to what it was previously. Right now it’s just a copy/paste of Silence as far as in-game effects are concerned. Up until recently, squelching/silencing didn’t prevent people from being able to actually play the game.
I said a while ago all kinds of stuff should have been stamped on a long time ago but I did say too a lot of it came around or came main stream when the wow token was released. Wow token came out some things that were lower on the totem pole and weren’t really shown into the light all of a sudden were splattered all over YouTube with, “MAKE GOLD NOW” “get your bruto today!” “Do this method to get your gold for raid!” Things like that.
Essentially it was a community created thing due to a shift in the economics of the game from the intro of the wow token. At the time (first couple years during legion) it was pretty tame wasn’t too bad. Then bfa it got pretty bad with everything then SL got real bad with certain things. And RMT is still around in retail. If it wasn’t, all this weirdo stuff wouldn’t exist.
Difference was people were using software in ways that was in the TOS at the time (the mirroring) but then others would slip other stuff in that was against the TOS then botters figured out they can get around stuff by using software multiboxers were using and making themselves appear as multiboxers. I run into bots still that try to make it look like they are a boxer doing it manually, even with all the spaces in between, but you can clearly tell it’s a bot (holds up cushion of justice!). One gets stuck and after the cushion disappears it just stays there or if the lead one gets stuck, it’s completely broken.
it made things a big mess so they had to just cut it all out, including hardware mirror inputs. Why? Person could easily set up automated things with multiple computers and they needed a way to detect that.
I’m not an expert on any of this stuff, but in order to combat RMT the first step I would think would be to completely knocking out software and hardware work arounds for bots (first software then hardware in this case). They would then funnel to other avenues to try and RMT (they go where the money is). After that, knock out massive gold trades that happen a lot in order to monitor trades easier.
Wow has an RMT problem for a long time and once they figure out who is buying all this stuff, that is gonna come crashing next. May see harsher punishments for gold buyers in the future, which I hope that’s what they do. THAT is ruining stuff for EVERYONE in the game and defeats the sole purpose of the game.
Edit: I have so many typos in this holy… I’m not fixing them they are staying in there.