I mean, I never had issue with it maining Horde in Cataclysm or leveling my four or five Horde alts. I don’t think the issue bothers me like some people.
To which that should be the issue at question and not just the fact of working with them, which is the complaint I often see presented.
Agree, I was one of the people who never really thought the thrall center stuff was that bad in cata. this story is a anti war story, and I love the characters that are trying to break the cycle of hatred
Most if not all of them just wanted their lands back which was them denied. Also obviously genocidal war criminals and Sylvanas and Nathanos punished, also denied. They are even being antagonized with statements like “Sylvanas isn’t evil” which basically means that Sylvanas didn’t do anything wrong and Tyrande is being in the wrong here.
There was no reason for Ashenvale to be a Horde zone, nobody asked for it. The Night Warrior was mia in 8.2.5, but somehow she also wasn’t reclaiming her lands in the meantime. Well we could assume that it took her 3 patches to reclaim Darkshore only I guess, and then just kind of gave up on Ashenvale.
Yeah, I think people just like swinging at the low hanging fruit in this case. I’m guilty of it myself. But, truly, this is the key issue. Its not partying with the Alliance characters thats the problem, is that partying with them so much has come to simply mean none of our characters get the attention and time they so desperately need to repair the damage Blizz has done.
We Horde went from MoP (a fairly destructive round of the villain bat); to WoD (avoiding the consequences of the villain bat in another dimension); to Legion (being irrelevant); to BfA (an EXTREMELY destructive round of the villain bat) … to what appears to be another round of “avoiding the consequences of the villain bat in another dimension” in the upcoming Shadowlands.
There has been no time given to rebuild us. To the point where even the Faction Identity is severely damaged and several Racial Fantasies are left on death’s door (especially the Forsaken’s).
Sigh … I know you operate within the confines of All-Or-Nothing, but generally I haven’t seen many Horde players upset about what Baine and Thrall seem to be doing in SLs. What they seem to be upset about is that it was Baine and Thrall chosen to get the attention at all. Of all our dilapidated roster, they are two of those least in need of it, and have proven far too often to be within Blizz’s current writing comfort zone. They, along with Lor and Liadrin, are a bit of a safe-space for them.
Simply put, we needed that attention to be on other far more bare-bones characters. Like Mayla, Geya’rah, Jiro, etc… Or at least those still untested in their new leadership roles, and need some development. Like Rokhan, Gazlowe, and Voss.
To talk about another thing OP, I think the story hurts from having token characters represent each race instead of an array of known characters. If Velen kicks the bucket, I’m not too sure who they can have to replace him on the roster. There’s Artificer Romuul but the dude really isn’t that well known. It felt like they were trying in WoD and more in Legion, but he’s still just…there. If they want Velen to sit back and enjoy his retirement, it would be nice if they started adding more to the Draenei cast.
But this is an example of what I see as an issue, there are obviously more examples of this. It’s just something Blizzard needs to work on. The community can handle more named characters, especially if they become recurring ones.
Actually, Jaina DID have regrets about the Purge of Dalaran. During the Alliance PC’s journey into the Blighted Lands, an image of Rhonin scolds Jaina for defiling the purpose and integrity of the Kirn Tor with her hatred and bias towards the Sunreavers. Jaina’s “inner child” tried to justify that the Sunreavers “lied to her”, but Jaina is clearly torn up over the ordeal.
You still have never answered when they said that. At the beginning of BfA when they were lying about everything or at the end where she said screw the horde and bounced. I suspect you haven’t answered because it would destroy your point.