Marksman on the PTR - AMAZING CHANGE

[Dracarian-medivh]

@Tavington-sargeras

No, almost everything you post on these forums in response to anyone is pretty much always this informal fallacy.

I.e. your response to my comment about casual content. “Yeah so this should all just be deleted right” is an invitation to move from the motte to the Bailey. The Bailey obviously being a much more outrageous and controversial position than what was actually said.

You’re doing it with the other guy too.

I thought I was the only one seeing it.

[Raesteesdel-moon-guard]

@Dracarian-medivh

I don’t mind if others play differently than me. I don’t mind that some MM players want their pet instead of the eagle.

Then why are you opposed to a compromise that would allow people to do that, provided that you can still play the way you want? A stance you have taken, multiple times.

[Tavington-sargeras]

Still pushing the Bailey. This is trolling.

[Dracarian-medivh]

@Raesteesdel-moon-guard

Then why are you opposed to a compromise that would allow people to do that

The way I want to play is with no pet and 30% more DPS which is what I get with the Eagle. Speccing into Lone Wolf still requires me to lose the additional DPS and leaves me without a pet anyway.

[Tavington-sargeras]

You aren’t entitled to people taking your “compromise” seriously. This isn’t a negotiation. You don’t actually make any decisions.

[Dracarian-medivh]

None of us do. We don’t work for Blizz. Some of us have tried the change, and minus a few specific bugs, appreciate the new feel.

[Raesteesdel-moon-guard]

@Dracarian-medivh

The way I want to play is with no pet and 30% more DPS which is what I get with the Eagle. Speccing into Lone Wolf still requires me to lose the additional DPS and leaves me without a pet anyway.

And we are looking for a solution that allows you to still have that, will allowing us to retain the playstyle we enjoy. A compromise you have repeatedly insulted and derided.

@Tavington-sargeras

You aren’t entitled to people taking your “compromise” seriously. This isn’t a negotiation. You don’t actually make any decisions.

And you aren’t entitled to dictate who’s feedback is worth more than anyone else, either. So your argument to the contrary is equally invalid.

[Niccolai-shuhalo]

I just have to say, knowing you prefer to play without a pet, thank you so much for going to bat so hard for keeping the option for us who who do love to use our pets. I am glad that there are reasonable and rational people in this thread strongly advocating for player agency.

[Niccolai-shuhalo]

@Tavington-sargeras

Blizzard is aware of y’all’s feedback on the pet by now. I’m certain of it. There’s just so much more to cover. That’s the frustrating part.

Except even if Blizzard is aware of the extremely frustrated and vocal feedback about taking away our ability to use a pet at all, the fact that they have remained silent on it further exacerbates our frustration and makes us feel unheard. They have not said anything to address our concern to use our pets, and that contributes directly to use pushing the issue.

Frankly, I could care less about any of the other changes and how they play. If they benefit you and you enjoy them, great. If they don’t, that’s feedback. But for many of us, just having the ability to use our pet taken away is enough to leave vocal feedback about this change, and we will continue to do so until it is acknowledged by Blizzard.

Again, many compromises have been made by the pro-pet group to keep all of the changes the petless people want while still allowing those of us who prefer to use our pets to keep them, essentially by putting the abilities onto the hunter and not the pet. That’s a win for everyone. Until Blizzard takes the time to engage with the community being affected by these changes, those of us who are passionate about our pets will continue the dialogue to voice our concerns.

[Tavington-sargeras]

@Niccolai-shuhalo

Frankly, I could care less about any of the other changes and how they play

This is evident. However, what you’re doing is flooding space dedicated specifically for that with spam.

@Niccolai-shuhalo

Again, many compromises have been made by the pro-pet group to keep all of the changes the petless people want while still allowing those of us who prefer to use our pets to keep them, essentially by putting the abilities onto the hunter and not the pet. That’s a win for everyone. Until Blizzard takes the time to engage with the community being affected by these changes, those of us who are passionate about our pets will continue the dialogue to voice our concerns.

One, it’s not a negotiation. Two, the “suggestions” y’all keep posting invoke the same inconsistencies and problems that lone wolf has had this whole time. It’s not actually a compromise. The things y’all are suggesting are counter to the point of the rework of the spec. Y’all are ignoring those explanations as much as you’re accusing “the other side” (which there isn’t actually an other side, just people not freaking out) of not listening to you.

[Wrong-sentinels]

@Tavington-sargeras

it’s not a negotiation

You’re the only one using that word. It’s player feedback. Devs will do with it as they please. Everyone konws this. This isn’t some revelation or the gotcha you think it is.

There’s a number of ways to handle keeping a pet option for MM. I’ve suggested one. There’s probably 30 different ways of doing it I haven’t thought of. To discard the possibility is admitting a lack of imagination and incompetence on the part of an RPG maker.

[Niccolai-shuhalo]

@Tavington-sargeras

This is evident. However, what you’re doing is flooding space dedicated specifically for that with spam.

Nope. I’m proving feedback on the changes to the class and spec I’ve mained for 15 years. This is my feedback.

@Tavington-sargeras

One, it’s not a negotiation. Two, the “suggestions” y’all keep posting invoke the same inconsistencies and problems that lone wolf has had this whole time. It’s not actually a compromise. The things y’all are suggesting are counter to the point of the rework of the spec. Y’all are ignoring those explanations as much as you’re accusing “the other side” (which there isn’t actually an other side, just people not freaking out) of not listening to you.

Again, it is feedback, which is literally just as valuable as anything you have to say. As others have pointed out, there are plenty of alternative ways for you to get whatever design changes you want for the spec without sacrificing the ability for those of us who play with a pet to have one. The anti-pet folk are literally the only ones who not only want to discard your pet but are incapable of finding solutions that let you have those changes you crave without sacrificing our pets. It’s almost as if you want to get what you want while not letting us have what we want out of spite. That’s pretty sad, honestly.

[Tavington-sargeras]

@Niccolai-shuhalo

Frankly, I could care less about any of the other changes and how they play.

@Niccolai-shuhalo

Again, it is feedback

No, you’re screaming into the void.

[Dracarian-medivh]

Sounds like the bargaining stage of grief. 11.1 will bring changes you will hate, and some of us will be ok with. Step 5 is acceptance. I’m hoping you reach that sooner rather than later.

[Raesteesdel-moon-guard]

@Dracarian-medivh

[Irrelevant yapping]

I do love seeing you project your expectations based on nothing but your own preconceptions. It makes for a lovely comedy.

[Tavington-sargeras]

I’d like ranch with my word please. Think you can have it ready in like 5 mins? Thanks champ.

[Raesteesdel-moon-guard]

If you think that’s word salad, I weep for the literacy of your region.

[Tavington-sargeras]

No you don’t.

[Dracarian-medivh]

You do understand it is a forum violation to deliberately edit and mislead someone’s post when replying, right? But since you are still in the bargaining phase, you might want to brace yourself for the possibility that Blizzard is not interested in compromise. If they were, they might have spoken up and acknowledged that option. I think what scares you the most is more people are fine with the change, it will be permanent, and you will have to choose between Beastmaster and Survival if you plan to play Hunter moving forward.

[Raesteesdel-moon-guard]

@Tavington-sargeras

No you don’t.

Are you stalking me IRL now too?

@Dracarian-medivh

You do understand it is a forum violation to deliberately edit and mislead someone’s post when replying, right?

I’m not making you say something you didn’t say but if you feel I crossed a line, feel free to report. I’ll skip over the rest of your irrelevant psychoanalysis, as I doubt you’re a qualified psychologist. If you are, then you’d know better than to analyze people you haven’t personally assessed.

@Dracarian-medivh

If they were, they might have spoken up and acknowledged that option

Blizzard is notoriously bad about responding to any feedback. So this is evidence of nothing.

@Dracarian-medivh

I think what scares you the most is more people are fine with the change, it will be permanent,

I’m not scared of anything. They’re free to ruin their game however they want, I just forsee them doing what they did the last two times: realizing that they made a bad overcorrection and fix it.