They can rework the existing design and still keep pets as optional. Nothing about the redesign necessitates eliminating player choice.
Not putting words in your mouth, I’m pointing out the hypocrisy of bragging about a buff, ignoring that you can still be buffed without killing player choice, and then saying just buffing people is bad.
Wouldn’t advise getting too excited about DPS output on PTR as tuning is always subject to change
Which is so weird because that the exact purpose of the talent system.
Then why are they removing the choice of going Lone Wolf or like, not.
It is in fact, the exact purpose of the current talent system.
Just as you are willfully ignoring that pets ARE leaving, the spec is being overhauled, and MM will now be a supporting spec and not a solo spec.
Yeah, but knowing Blizzard’s track record, they reverse it 18 months after they change it. By then, it will be a whole new team who no longer cares most likely.
I’m glad people are enjoying it.
Sadly, no matter how it plays it will not stop me from truly, sincerely, and utterly hating MM now. If they’d done this a decade ago it’d be fine but I’ve spent far too long growing attached to having a pet.
They’re taking my lil’ man (Treasurewhiskers) away from me and it cannot be forgiven.
I’m not ignoring that the spec is being overhauled. And pets are not leaving, MM has a permanent pet now.
MM is many things, a ‘support’ spec is not, and will not be, one of them after this rework. And unless they are removing the ability to function solo, it will still need to be a solo-capable spec, and all signs point it is going to be less effective at that role until you overgear content.
I think most of these folks clinging to their desperation are afraid to hop into the PTR, try it, and see how successful it is. That nail would seal the box and remove all this misplaced hope that somehow at the 11th hour Blizz changes their minds.
And your feelings are valid. Maybe you can bring back your little man when you swap to BM.
You keep telling yourself that. This redesign is making it exactly that.
Apparently talent systems exist so you can have +4% to one ability or -6% CD to another based on two pre-approved talent load-outs.
What amazing, flavorful, and playstyle-defining choices.
I’ve tried BM and I do not like it. I don’t like shooting snakes out of my gun. I don’t like conjuring random beasts from thin air or sending stampedes at the enemy.
I’d probably like BM more if it were the melee spec (as another hunter) because it’d feel more like you’re trying to become the beast. To get in tune with primal savagery. But no, guns and bows, hiding behind your pets and treating them like fodder rather than companions.
Non-sequitur, you are basing that on nothing. I’ve pointed out that I have personally been on the PTR, have been on there repeatedly, and while I find the spec plays perfectly fine, the lack of a pet option is still a point of contention
Not. Even. Close. MM cannot buff others beyond lust. MM cannot reduce party damage. MM cannot put party debuffs on the enemies that improve damage. It is not a support spec. Augvoker was as a support spec, and it too is being neutered.
M+ is also not the whole game.
Again, hope this helps!
Not a single complaint about losing pets was about DPS.
The dude himself doesn’t do mythic+
He does Classic, obviously. Might do group endgame content if he can actually reach the level cap though.
Thinks people are afraid to do PTR, like his edgy bullishness is a new concept.
Still has more flavor than mm with a pet 
Note: This is something Tinkertank invented entirely on their own, without any supporting evidence from Blizzard.
Fun fact: It is entirely possible to test out how petlessness works on live right now by dismissing your pet. The PTR does not contain any significant changes to solo survivability. Killing stuff slightly faster doesn’t matter if what you’re trying to kill stomps you into the dirt.
More damage = thing dies faster = less damage to you = more overall survivability.
Also are you just going to go post to post being this uber negative nancy?
We get it already. You are upsettispaghetti.
What you got was firsthand experience to base YOUR opinion off of. Don’t be confusing that with “facts”.
I went to the PTR too. I’m not as excited as you are about this. It’s a pretty big change from being able to solo with a tank pet.
It’s perfectly fair that you like what you saw. But not everyone is going to agree with you.
Balancing for one is a reason alone , as blizz has constant issues with balancing why add something that could make balancing harder to do?
MM was always seen as the sniper type spec in which a pet never really made sense.