Marksman on the PTR - AMAZING CHANGE

[Raesteesdel-moon-guard]

@Chymmee-tichondrius

Anything is possible with enough time and money but I’d argue that there are better choices for a new spec than making an iteration of MM that uses a Pet just to appease open world RP’ers.

But MM is still using a pet, now.

[Chymmee-tichondrius]

So you want Blizzard to make another spec for Hunters that’s just the current MM design? A spec that would only be used in the open world or for RP purposes?

[Gromghul-hyjal]

Hunters as a class still have pets though so the class fantasy hasn’t changed its actually been improved

[Syegfryed-tol-barad (Syegfryed)]

@Mkali-frostwolf

“Play BM” isn’t an argument, it’s advice.

Its a clown take.

@Barloslays-azgalor

I’m sorry, if you weren’t running Lone Wolf in TWW you are either bad or a solo player

Or a PVP player, but you fools only know about M^

@Barloslays-azgalor

I’m all for people playing games how they want

Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure

@Barloslays-azgalor

Current MM hunters don’t use pets.

This is a lie, they do.

@Barloslays-azgalor

Unless a group can’t find a shaman/pally/evoker/mage (literally 1/4 of the class options)

There is more to this game than M+

@Lunkel-garona

They wanted the spec fantasy to be petless

Thats why they tried to force a pet eagle that you dont need to control?

@Lunkel-garona

They are trying a different approach for the same result.

Its the same approach, removing pet, expecting it will work now

[Citlalli-bloodhoof]

@Syegfryed-tol-barad

Its a clown take.

At this point, I’d say it is more those that say it are doing nothing more then spewing a different kind of BM out of their mouths.

[Brahmina-khadgar (Brahmina)]

@Tìnkertank-westfall

I was unaware this was a requisite for posting on the forums.

It is not a requisite at all. I was just curious. You did say you use a hunter as your main DPS, but your test of the spec would still be valid if you didn’t. You were testing on the PTR and reporting how you felt about the changes.

I still don’t understand why MM can’t have the choice of a pet or not. Some have said it was a “balancing issue,” but I don’t see why that’s a problem. Just make the Marksman’s pet work like the eagle. The only difference would be we still get to use the pet we want, not the pet they give us.

[Raesteesdel-moon-guard]

Nope.

I want them to adapt the rework such that people can keep their pets if they want, or have none entirely.

[Citlalli-bloodhoof]

I sometimes wonder if, instead of Lone Wolf, they should have given us a choice node:

1. Lone Wolf, works the same as it does now, +5% damage if you go petless
2. Wild Marksman: +5% damage while you have an animal companion wth you

[Syegfryed-tol-barad (Syegfryed)]

M+ players would lose their crap, cause they would be forced to play a pet in a pet class

[Raesteesdel-moon-guard]

Eh they could keep lone wolf with the same damage modifier and have it give you the command ability of your #1 slot or last dismissed pet and everything else about the rework the same. Everyone wins.

[Jadevine-silver-hand (Jadevine)]

I have been hearing from EU players who hate the changes and using google translate, found that losing pets is even more unpopular in other countries than the USA players. Though it is hard to tell if Blizzard cares about them due to the fact that most promotions are unavailable to them.

Someone from Brazil was posting on X, begging Blizzard to change their mind and I started poking around non English forums

[Ravala-hyjal]

Agree with OP. The vocal minority who post on these forums don’t remotely represent the player base. The changes are step in the right direction.

[Jadevine-silver-hand (Jadevine)]

@Barloslays-azgalor

should be playing BM

[Citlalli-bloodhoof]

That is just it, it would be a choice node, Lone Wolf, with increased damage + utility for going petless and Wild Marksman, with the same increased damage, for having a pet out. I was just leaving it up to Blizzard if they would have that all on the hunter, so the pet was free damage, all on the pet, or split between them in an attempt to balance it.

Anyway, if the M+ loses their crap, I’d just say that was karma being a female dog to them, and if they complained about needing to take the pet talent for max DPS, well…“hey, if you want to run without a pet, you can”…“but it is not top damage”…"just because you sacrifice your enjoyment for DPS does not mean anyone else should be forced to:

[Squeaksmcgee-area-52]

From what it sounds like, the devs want MM as a group/mythic spec and for open world, there’s beast master.

[Tiffany-ravencrest]

@Squeaksmcgee-area-52

the devs want MM as a group/mythic spec and for open world, there’s beast master.

That’s true I think that’s a major goal. However they are forgetting that WoW is not just about DPS in Mythic and leveling. There’s Role Play as well and for those of us who have been maining MM Hunter with our pets since Cataclysm this is a big RP loss.

I have a BM alt so my main will switch over but then were does my alt go. The Eagle?

[Deckarcain-whisperwind]

Glad you like it(11.1 MM). Should be even better after some bug fixes.

[Squeaksmcgee-area-52]

Yeah. It’s not fun. It’s also why I have alts.

[Tìnkertank-westfall]

Before reading back through the thread, I would like to thank the mods for restoring the Original Post, which was inaccurately flagged out of disagreement by a certain element. I’ll be scrolling back up through now to see what I missed.

@Brahmina-khadgar

I still don’t understand why MM can’t have the choice of a pet or not.

The devs are trying to make 3 completely unique specs for hunter. If “nearly everyone” uses Lone Wolf at times and all of them remove the pet for the damage increase, it makes sense to design a spec around pure hunter damage and leaving the pet entirely out of the equation. People still have choices. 2 pets - BM for everything open world, 1 pet - Survival for a “solo survivor” experience. And soon 0 Pet - a pure hunter with increased damage and an Eagle companion who is not a fully controllable pet. I’m liking the flavor and the direction.

[Kholin-drakthul (Kholin)]

@Locke-echo-isles

There are numerous reasons why having a pet is a nuisance.

Well… back in the olden days managing the pet was part of the job of a hunter. It was one of the things that separated a stellar hunter from a mediocre or bad one.