Making a melee spec bomb-oriented is really stupid

Classes Hunter
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You keep wheeling this word out, but survival even it’s most bombtastic iteration would not qualify as a bombardier.

Bombardier =/= a dude who throws bombs sometimes

And it is the closest player spec to him…

What is your point? You want survival to be exactly identical to Rexxar?

That’s never, and never was, going to happen.

Trying to fit player classes 1 to 1 perfectly onto NPC lore characters is always a futile effort. One is designed for humans to play and have fun with, one is written to have the powers/strengths for story reasons.

A description of Survival from Blizzard themselves on the official website:

An adaptive ranger who favors using explosives, animal venom, and coordinated attacks with their bonded beast. Preferred Weapon: Polearm, Staff

Explosives is literally the first tool described by the game designers themselves when outlining the spec.

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749

he’s going to say “actually this doesnt count” or something, if he even bothers to respond to this.

750

Problem is, it will be in midnight

there is too much focus on wildfire bomb and boomstick, who needs to go away

Jesus, feels like i had this conversation with so many people before

No one said that, i didnt say that, why jump straight into that?

A survival hunter is a MELEE hunter, his focus should be melee skills, fighting alongside the pet, using TRAPS, POISONS AND VENOMS to enhance their toolkit, with the ocasional axe/spear throwing and bleeds

That is what the description they gave us when they made the rework on LEgion and that is the fantasy they were leaning, until they turned the dragonfire grenate into wildfire bomb and start going too far into that route

Go to the beta and see how much of that remains

We lost our coordinated attacks(coordinated assault and flanking strike gone), we only have take down now and is 1,5m CD, we lost our animal venom, we lost fury of the eagle all to gain more talents related to bombs and dumb boomstick

Note how boomstick, a channeling gun, does not fit in that description, since its not an explosive, is GUN.

I said many times before, im ok with wildfire bomb, if they tone down a notch, since too many talents affect it( a problem in retail that will be worse in midnight), my biggest problem is dumbstick

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751

You main Survival Hunter. I am trying to leave feedback so they can make the new melee hunter amazing.

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752

I don’t agree with Rexxar being the survival direction. What has he done in game or lore books that we could base an entire spec on? We’ve seen him use traps (shared by all hunters), melee attacks (SV), and use his iconic multiple beasts (BM). Not much else

It’s like Kaethas who uses arcane/gravity and fire magic. That’s why both being used as the shared hero talent figure works so well.

753

Wut? /10char

754

On the Midnight Beta I leveled to endgame as Survival hunter. Packleader felt terrible, none of the bleed talents are even worth taking. All these new talents!. And the only viable talent path is maxed out boomstick.

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755

Bombardiers are known for using a shotgun???

It is a melee hunter. Melee attacks are a core part of the rotation.

Your idea that it “should be focused on melee skills” is just that, your idea. You seem think it should be like 80% melee skills with a few ranged occasionally, but that’s just in your head. Even back in Legion when it was first introduced half of the rotation was ranged with explosive trap, dragonfire grenade and axe throws. Survival since it’s change from full range has always been a mixed type spec where half of your buttons are ranged and half melee. It has never been a “focused on melee” spec, if you want that just play your warrior.

756

we use less bombs in midnight than we do in TWW. I’ve said this probably a hundred times but you don’t like actual evidence lol

the legion rework where we threw explosives on cooldown?

how about YOU go log on to beta before you complain about stuff you dont understand? the entire concept of strike as one/two against many is a coordinated pet/hunter attack. so we get coordinated attacks FAR more frequently.

757

It’s beta.

Numbers have not been tuned yet, don’t worry too much about “viable builds” based on beta dps.

758

Yeah his fixation on Legion as some pure pet melee version of survival is just hilarious.

Meanwhile Legion surv hunters:

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759

Season of Discovery melee hunter playing 2-hand weapon Wyvern strike was a big pumper. IMO bleeds for Surv. Have always been a failure. Survival needs sustain dots. After the Wildfire bomb rework the dot uptime it has, is not it. They also over-pruned the class. In midnight.

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760

They could add more dots and bleeds, that’d be fine.

My main point was, beta numbers are not tuned, they might as well be arbitrary numbers for as much as they mean with build strength. Once they tune stuff there might be a viable build that has little bombs or shotguns, who knows.

All I was saying really is take beta numbers with a grain of salt, or hell a whole train full of salt. Something that might be super weak and not viable on beta could be cracked on live, all depends on how they tweak the numbers.

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761

By hunting nature they are protecting it. That’s the apex predators role in the food chain. They use nature, and fire to control the rampant growth of nature. Although they still protect nature from industrialization (boomstick), and any threat to the natural world they wander.

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762

Hunters have used guns since literally day 1 and the traps we use are entirely mechanical engineering. The class has never protected nature against industrialization.

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763

this is crazy, almost 1k replies because people think SV hunters are human druids and afk in forests making food instead of interacting with the rest of the world

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764

The literal first trailer we ever saw, the first player class shown in WoW is the iconic dwarf hunter sporting a gun.

765

Sure I can see this argument, that an apex predator hunter has a place in the natural order. It’s still a stretch to claim that filling that role is protecting nature though.

You are once again confusing hunter with druid.

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766

Remember the mantra. Works most of the time.

Remember guys! It’s just the Beta! They will fix it on release!

Remember guys, it’s just the release! They will fix it on .5!

It’s just a .5, they will fix it on 2.0.

It’s 2.0… They will fix it in 2.5?

It’s already 2.5 wait for next xpac…

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767

whats the mantra for people who go out of their way to choose the spec that uses bombs for nearly a decade and complain that they still use bombs?

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