#MakeItPermanent

Yeah I have a class so why is my deathknight getting a temporary addon(not a subclass) that I didn’t choose 10 years ago? I hope you aren’t equating covenants to classes because that is outright silly sir. Oh no I’m not a deathknight anymore I’m a venthyr now just like I always wanted back in wrath when venthyr were totally a thing. I always wanted my death knight to be able to turn into a fox and have a sparkly death and decay this defines my gameplay!

I already picked my class for gameplay I shouldn’t need to do it again for some “meaningful choice” that will barely last two years anyhow.

Also oh please spare me with the random homogenization is bad because its bad argument. Players should have access to classes that are desirable, blizzard balance took away far more then anything else, also can I get a list of these copy pasted abilties? How is it any different from your golden age of mage cast blue bolt or red bolt and warlock cast purple bolt, and hunter press rotation button.

Your mental gymnastics are making china facepalm right now. If you’re not winnin… why are you still diggin?

You don’t have to do it again, your progress isn’t lost.

This isn’t like Bloodsail Buccaneer reputation where gaining with one group causes you to lose what you have gained with someone else.

Gold was fine in Vanilla and yeah, you apparently sucked at making it. I’m not sure how gold, which can be earned in various ways and in various amounts relates to a time gated grind that hits everyone on an equal level.

That’s literally the design behind them, so… I guess you should read up

Incorrect, your progress isn’t lost if you want to switch back. If you go to a different covenant, you are starting over.

so far, like, there’s a chance they add something, a " meaningful choice " doesn’t need to impact the game completely or change the way the story is told
a meaningful choice should be meaningful for you and your gameplay, not the entire story of the game

exactly my point? what do you have from wrath that you still use to this day that isn’t a mount or a pet?

but… this has happened all the time, idk why are people trying to tie this with " new design philosophy " this is an mmo and it’s constantly changing
I lost the ability to use " hysteria " and to dps as a blood death knight
and that was back when cata launched
and it isn’t just " reasons " either the dev team felt it didn’t fit the death knight theme anymore, or they decided it was impossible to balance it moving forward, and that people would stack death knights just to mark rogues and hunters with hysteria
even if it was fitting for the blood dk theme
sure it sucks but it’s the nature of the game

eeh but Ion says they are like classes >_>. Argue with people with opinions whatevers, but I would think that if the developer says they are “classes” then so be it. It’s like telling Eminem that rap isn’t a song and doesn’t belong in the “music” section.

They were never meant to be anything like classes and even if they were, literally nothing we have on the beta reflects that idea.

Nah, that is

As you said here

If you go to a different covenant you are starting wherever you left off with that covenant.

That would make sense if they were going to be permanent and the powers would continue after SL and work in all zones. But that’s pretty unlikely.

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What happens next expansion doesn’t affect whether or not they are class-like during SL.

Bah this guy went from working for us in the #pulltheripcord thread to us working for him in his thread. We should really take this back to the original, I want the power of my voice there…not working for him.

Do you read what you are going to type over in your head first? How is it incorrect when you just agreed with me? You know, the “left off” part. Kind of hard to have a left off part if you were never with a covenant to begin with.

Form and function don’t match. Rather where is your “homogenization is bad because its bad” in regards to covenants giving every class mobility and defensive cds? One button that can be a talent, another glorified character modifier like the netherlight crucible or artifact weapons, and a random utility button does not equate to a class. Thats like saying I’m a blood of the enemy dk and thats a subclass now.

We’ll have to agree to disagree on that interpretation.

You seem to not grasp basic language, Sabbia… the point is that you will not lose your progress, which was your claim.

Obviously if you had no progress then yes you are starting fresh with that covenant. Lol.

This “but Ion said” is getting old. Besides even he himself has already distanced himself from this idea he gave people.

Covenants are NOTHING like classes or even sub-classes.

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All we can do at this point is pray that our chosen class/spec happens to have the stars align so that one covenant/soulbind is best for raiding, M+, and PvP.

It’ll suck for those that don’t like the aesthetics, but at least they’ll be able to play the game with the knowledge that they aren’t being an active detriment to their team.

I never said anything about losing progress? Who exactly here has issues with language again?