So if they came back would you be positively impacted, negatively impacted, or not impacted?
It’s clear to everyone why you’d dodge this question and I’m sure come up with another dodge.
But you have an actual position: that they should stay locked. This is clear from how upset you are that I didn’t quote it directly so I’ll do it here.
But they’re not coming back.
“Blizzard has never once changed their minds”
k. Too bad we never got to play Classic WoW since they shot that down.
That’s really considerate of you, thank you. Luckily they’re not coming back and I’ve got nothing to worry about.
So them coming back would bring you worry? lol
It’s really bizarre how far you’ve escalated your rhetoric after realizing you don’t have any valid arguments here.
My argument was that you actually did care, thus your reasoning for petitioning for them to ‘stay locked’.
And, seeing as how you immediately retreated from the position I originally attacked it would seem I had a strong point re: the reintroduction would impact you in some way.
No, I said what I meant and meant what I said. Shipmate is being disingenuous with his responses and that’s not on me.
They’re not coming back.
It’s a moot question- why can’t you accept the aren’t coming back? Do you really need a forum W that badly?
Who are you quoting there? Yourself? Let’s examine that phrase in context: Blizzard has never brought back CM cosmetics, AOTC mounts, etc.
Last time I checked, classic wow isn’t qualified as a CM cosmetic, AOTC mount, etc.
No, but I’m playing along with it since for some reason you can’t seem to take me at my word that they won’t.
This has nothing to do with
There won’t be any reintroduction. I’m sincerely curious, why are you so hung up on this fact? Twixt the two of us, the only person struggling to accept the reality of the situation is you. Hiding behind personal attacks, inflammatory rhetoric about school safety, misrepresenting positions, and thumping your chest about what a technical speaker you are isn’t changing that. They’re not coming back my friend, the sooner you accept this the happier you’ll be
Then I read the room wrong, apologies. But I can’t say I didn’t try to convince you guys to agree that your views are different and there’s nothing that can be done about it. No amount of repeating the same thing with a new buzz word or placing things in a different order will change ya’lls views or the opinions you have of one another’s words.
Maybe it’s just the middle school peer mediator in me trying to rein things in but if ya’ll want to keep going at it for an hour or more before you arrive to the conclusion I’ve been stating then by all means.
It’s a moot question- why can’t you accept the aren’t coming back? Do you really need a forum W that badly?
I think there’s value in telling a company what you want from them. Its brought about many changes in WoW
Answer this: would you care if they came back? This is what I originally responded to, you had an actual position: that you would like these to stay locked.
Blizzard has never brought back CM cosmetics, AOTC mounts, etc.
Blizzard has brought back cosmetics from Raid Achievements (Plagued Proto), Removed Raids (T3), as well as limited time rewards (Zhevra, Tyrael’s Charger), basically given out for free TCG mounts, and is making M+ Portals account bound which even last year Ion said wouldn’t happen.
A list like yours is ever decreasing.
There won’t be any reintroduction.
Maybe not, but the original post I replied to was of an actual position you held: that these items should stay locked.
This is what interests me, not this new position you’ve cobbled together to avoid admitting you’d be negatively impacted by availability of pixels.
Why? Not only have you demonstrated that you won’t accept my answers, but the question fundamentally requires I accept the foundation upon which it’s predicated- that they could or will come back. I reject the notion outright.
I hate to be the one to break it to you, but these still aren’t AOTC mounts or CM appearances.
But not gone, and Blizzard has recommited to the locking of CM rewards.
I stated my position and you attempted to dissect it such that I was misrepresented and you weren’t actually addressing my stance. All while dodging my own questions. You haven’t conducted this conversation in good faith. Thus, I changed the stance.
And if that triggered you, you’re really going to love this: I actually agree with Ravij. I have better things to do with my time than argue about something that isn’t going to happen with someone who isn’t actually listening to what I’m saying. Have a great weekend my spicy forum-alt friend.
That said, I’d prefer to maintain the exclusivity of the Legion MT skins, as I think exclusive cosmetics is interesting and fun in small doses.
I don’t want to see the original ghost cat form be made available again. I’d rather see you farming for a flashy “were-cat” form that’s a step above ghost-kitty.
There has been SEVERAL expansions since Legion, how are there not more class fantasy weapons/skins that are of MT-quality or better?
IMO, most people that are complaining about the exclusivity behind MT skins are just letting Blizzard off the hook for taking a step back in mog-quality/variety since Legion. I want to see your 14+ druids in incredible forms, that doesn’t have to be MT.
While I understand people want things to remain exclusive to certain eras of the game and remain unobtainable, the main gripe I have is the fact the MT skins are there, visible, on the barber shop for all druids. I mentioned this earlier but it’s a slap in the face to those that tried to get them and those that follow who may have returned or joined the game late to see those forms and be reminded they can never have them.
I know Tovi and I, while we have different opinions on the topic, we both can at least agree that these forms should be hidden if they are truly no longer obtainable.
I for one would welcome back the SoO AotC wolf and the moose from WoD. Also the removed leggos too. And let everyone have the AotC mounts I have too. Purple dragon is best dragon. MoP Challenge phoenix? plz I’d love it. Elite transmog gear? Yes please! Lets not stop there! Battle pets! Achievments! UNLEASH THE KRAKEN!
But I know in my foolish collector mind this will never happen.
Why? Not only have you demonstrated that you won’t accept my answers, but the question fundamentally requires I accept the foundation upon which it’s predicated- that they could or will come back. I reject the notion outright.
The reason you dodge it is not lost on me or anyone else.
It’s inconvenient for you to say that you’re either negatively impacted or not impacted at all. I get it. It makes your calls for it to ‘stay locked’ seem emotionally fragile.
I hate to be the one to break it to you, but these still aren’t AOTC mounts or CM appearances.
My point was that your list of what it isnt dwindles as time goes on.
Ion himself said that the sacred cows of the past he’s learning to ignore and do what’s best for the players now.
But not gone, and Blizzard has recommited to the locking of CM rewards.
When?
Last year Ion recommitted to keeping M+ Portals locked. No longer the case.
I stated my position and you attempted to dissect it such that I was misrepresented and you weren’t actually addressing my stance. All while dodging my own questions. You haven’t conducted this conversation in good faith. Thus, I changed the stance.
You changed your stance because I wasn’t arguing in good faith? What does that even mean? Don’t blame me because your position wasn’t consistent and I called it out. Weaseling your way out of inconvenient arguments by blaming others reflects poorly on you, not me.
Would you be impacted by the reintroduction of these rewards. Y/N?
Cutting Edge is perfectly fine with being Limited-Time content because you can’t really dial back the difficulty once you’ve progressed to max level. The caveat is that you technically still could do it at relatively the same level of difficulty if you hit max level relative to that expac, turn off exp, and find a group of ppl willing to do the same and run the raid.
In fact, I believe we already have a point of precedence with this exact idea, in Herald of the Titans in Ulduar. Last I heard, this is still obtainable to this very day - you just have to hit max level respective to WotLK (level squishing), and then find a group of ppl who also are the same max-level and have the same ilvl the meets the req of the Feat of Strength.
Anyway, in regards to the Mage Tower appearances, this is a different case. While some of the scenarios might be easier than they were back in Legion, there are still some that are just as difficult if not moreso. The main point is that everything is level-locked and scaled down so you can’t just pure brute force everything 100% of the time and expect to win like you would an old Mythic Raid. These Mage Tower scenarios are still generally challenging, and all it would really take was to make the scenarios scale up to current expansion Max-Levels if you want it to be truly challenging again.
Again, Blizz could easily make that an option for the Mage Tower wherein the reward for completing a Mage Tower challenge at new Max-Level scaling could reward the appearances.
Or my idea of completing all 36 in the scaled down scenarios.
Basically, the main point is that Blizzard has options of reintroducing the appearances but doing so in a way that still provides a decent enough challenge for players.
Dude, this is your quote in full, you worded it poorly. You literally said it “won’t have an impact on [your] experience.” It’s okay to say you misspoke. Saying it won’t impact you then saying to leave them locked is a bit contradictory, and yes, I realize you did later rectify your statement.
That being said, you called someone intentionally obtuse for what reason? You can’t admit you worded something poorly?
I think most people would have read that original statement and wonder what your problem with them being reintroduced is then since you in your original statement said it wouldn’t impact your experience.
You don’t want them reintroduced, that’s fine. You can have that opinion, but your initial statement, again, was a bit contradictory in it’s delivery. You seem like you’re just calling Primerate obtuse because you feel admitting you worded it poorly somehow invalidates your opinion, when it doesn’t. Seems like a silly hill to die on in the grand scheme of this topic.
Actually it’s not and you said why in the beginning of your post:
And in this case I’m not talking about whether or not it’s easy or hard, I mean you can’t dial back the conditions we had in Legion, which is why Blizzard made this a limited time event.
The weapons have been deactivated. All the talents on them have been moved, changed or removed.
The legendaries we used have been deactivated.
The talents and spells we had in Legion have been either removed or changed.
So you cannot duplicate Legion MT until the classic version of it rolls around in 6 years and since the challenge has changed the reward has changed. Plus, the entire point was to beat those bosses using a specific weapon and like I already pointed out, that weapon has been deactivated. Why should you get the reward for specific challenge when you can’t even use the weapons for their intended purpose anymore?
It’s an absolute toxic concept. I had no time to play the 19th anniversary event but for one day, where I got the new mount. I’m busy in my job, I got sick and for the first time covid and stay most of the time in bed now.
The idea of punishing people for simply “not being there” has to go. Almost all regular items need to come back a way or another. Not only gives this enslaved players an artificial value, where they actually own nothing, but it hinders progression on the overall game quality as well.
