What poor delve experiences? They’re the best addition they’ve ever made to the game. M+ isn’t on my radar at all.
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The key squish happened because previous 1-11 keys were obsolete. What made 1-6 “obsolete” this season was the extremely unnecessary time gate to the season starting while opening Delves up pre-season. This made people have nothing to do except farm delves for 605 gear. This had nothing to do with the squish and everything to do with time gating content and Delves being overly rewarding for the difficulty.
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8+ and up filled by those farming Gilded Crests who have the iL and IO.
So many can’t get in. Even if you form your own group, you will only get applicants of those way below what will give you a successful run. Widening gear gap between those who started late and those who are geared.
I can see liking a dungeon regardless of difficulty. I personally like SV the most.
However, GB is by far the hardest dungeon this season followed by SV and CoT. I feel like CoT isn’t so bad if the mechanics are followed.
Read this to yourself and ask how it is logical.
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You can’t get into +8s because they are filled by those farming Gilded crests who have the ilvl and io.
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You can’t form your own group because you will only get applicants way below what will give you a successful run.
Your two statements are extact counter opposites.
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Don’t take this the wrong way, but you don’t speak for everyone.
I took the liberty of merely looking at the front page of the forums for you since I knew you wouldn’t (but you would still reply to me)>
Not to mention the painpoints of M+ are mostly in +2 to +8, delver territory, where people expect to know nothing about the dungeons or their spec, but still win. All of these threads, (and 2 I replied in yesterday that were deleted apparently…) are tangetially or directly linking their problems to M+ philosophy:
Delves Suck - Community / General Discussion - World of Warcraft Forums
Using delves to shove folks into mythics - Community / General Discussion - World of Warcraft Forums
What exactly do people want from delves? - Community / General Discussion - World of Warcraft Forums
Another notable advantage delves have over +2~6 keys is that delves have a guaranteed drop. Although loot is still RNG, it is more likely for people to get upgrades from delves than +2~6 keys since you only have 40% chance to get loot from M+, unless you are running with friends.
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Right. Delves+7 are significantly easier than M+6 even though they give equivalent rewards. Additionally, as you stated, Delves gives guaranteed drops and vault credit. I don’t think it would have been as bad if they didn’t time gate M+ while releasing Delves completely. They should have released Delves at the same time as M+ and Raids.
I’ll try and rephrase it.
I’m hesitant to join someone who just pushed their key up to 8+.
Instead I will join a group who is farming an 8+ for crests.
I didn’t claim to.
None of those are “trying to blame M+ for their poor delve experiences”. The first post doesn’t mention M+ at all. The second one just resents the fact that progression via delves just abruptly stops. And thinks it’s part of a devious ploy to force uninterested players into M+. That’s not a poor delve experience. They want more delving! The third one again, doesn’t mention M+. They’re just spouting some nonsense idea that delvers would be upset by the need to do higher difficulty delves in order to justify a higher track of gear. As if we don’t already understand the idea of progression. And as though we aren’t already doing higher difficulty delves that give no higher gear reward simply to do them.
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The constant and massive yo-yo class balance updates are wild.
Should not be having huge 20 to 50% buffs/nerfs as late into a season as this one.
Dawnbreaker is a mess. It was a mess during beta and it’s still a mess.
Hopefully this is the last time we ever see Mists again. Blizzard unfortunately loves these stupid gimmick dungeons like Mists and Court of Stars. They are never fun in Mythic+.
Get rid of the healer affix. Blizzard said they would get rid of healer affixes and then adds a new one. If you’re on a DPS class that doesn’t have a dispel every 30 seconds or at all then you are a detriment to your group. We tried telling Blizzard this in Dragonflight and TWW beta but they just don’t listen.
TWW Season 1 was terrible and saying “well, at least it can’t get worse” would just be perceived as a dare by Blizzard.
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I do believe that it shows up on the debuff. When mousing over it, it’ll tell you that it’ll apply a shield when dispelled.
Can still use 3 spears on Stich. Just back to back instead of all at once.
Why does everyone say this? lol I feel like this is one of the easier dungeons and one of my more favorite
Personally think it’s fine. You’ve got time to move before they come flying at you. Orbs come out in a specific order, and they fire off in that specific order. Most groups now do decent at stacking them so it doesn’t really matter.
One targets someone, move as a group, second targets someone, move as a group, etc etc.
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I think the 2 last bosses of cot simply might ask 1 or 2 level of healing more than most dungeons, I dont think mechanicly theyre bad.
Well said.
Mythic Plus is toxic and elitist gameplay with so much discrimination by the community because they are obsessed with min max micromanagement practices instead of real fun game play.
Its simply a shame to me they didnt try to balance more dungeons and just added 90s to the timer. Personally I found that decision very bad.
no, please do not put affixes back into 12s.
i really enjoy not having to deal with un-fun mechanics related to the affixes.
second boss ara kara does aoe, making you stand in circle in front of him: affix balls spawn behind him and he picks them all up and now does 100% more dmg.
first boss of Dawnbreaker reaches 50% hp and starts his call darkness cast (where you have to fly out) and simultaneously the CC affix orbs spawn and you can’t do anything to them because you have to fly away - you come back to the boss and he is doing 100% more dmg then obsidian beam one shots your tank through every defensive and pain suppression.
i could go on and on giving examples of how these affixes are poorly implemented into the current season but i’ll leave it at that for now.
so, please, do not put the affixes back into 12s, i really enjoy not having any affixes.
if people are concerned about the learning curve from 11 to 12 being too steep, then just remove affixes altogether.
this is another example of a poorly-implemented affix - if your group consists of shaman dps, paladin dps, druid dps, paladin tank, and a healer then the dispell affix is fine.
what if your group is hunter dps, DH dps, dk dps, warrior tank? that’s four people the healer needs to heal through (can only dispell one with the healer’s dispell)
when im doing my weekly 10s for vault, i literally only invite classes with dispells for that affix - because why would i make my key harder than it needs to be?
I get that, but both of your statements just now are about joining a group whereas earlier it was one about joining and another about forming. It makes sense to prefer a farm group rather than a progression group.
What’s not intuitive is that 99% of “bad zones” we now know instinctively to run out.
Except this one… you stack.
There’s not enough indication on “get out!” and “STACK!” mechanics. They’re all just a colored circle.
OR WAIT… was that the DK D&D!!!
I’m just so over the fact that 90%+ of the difficulty in Warcraft is just OVERCOMING THE POOR UI.
Imagine playing a PS5 game and I’m standing next to you, and I repeatedly try and smack the controller out of your hand. It’s “more challenging”, right??!
Or your roommate keeps walking in front of the tv to block your view! ISN’T THAT FUN!?!!
That’s what WoW feels like, anymore. I don’t mind a challenge, I WANT to be challenged!!! But the things M+ throws at us are just stupid busywork frustrations. They’re not challenging in the right, FUN way.
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Man there is just not a lot of positive stuff about M+ at all this season.
Don’t know if I’ve ever seen this level of disapproval towards it.