All of this. And it adds up with peril. You don’t even need to wipe to brick keys anymore. You can have a few unlucky deaths add up to losing a few minutes and that’ll be the death of the key.
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tell me you know nothing about druids without telling me you know nothing about druids. this sentence right here is why i believe you dont know what your talking about. i now no longer have any reason to talk to someone who talks about things they no nothing about.
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I’ve pugged a few M+7+ dungeons on alts and one thing I’ve noticed is the risky pull mentality is still strong in spite of Challenger’s Peril being a thing. All those death penalties really add up and repeated failed attempts to burn down multiple trash packs can easily destroy a key early on.
When something feels unreachable. And you work at it, practice, learn more and keep trying and are able to reach you’re goal it feels so good.
And there will be players who push hard and meet the new challenge expectations set by blizzard and some won’t.
Are you trying to tell me that druids can’t just shift in and out of forms? The gains from going into bear form are active and passive mitigation, not a “defensive”. Defensive abilities refer to those with larger CDs for big hits. Not things that you just get every time you shift into bear. Exactly the same thing as Shield of the Righteous not being a “defensive” either.
I meant bringing people up from heroic dungeons to mythic 0 actually. There is a gap there that you need to play outside content to fill in holes with better than heroic gear before you can do a mythic 0, at least comfortably.
Doesn’t heroics drops 580 gear, or did that change. I run m2 on my 580 tank that I just started, granted I know how and when to mitigate in all these dungeons but 3 staring a 2 was non issue at 580 for me.
I’ve elected to not push past capping on runed/gilded crests on the debuff/heal affix week. Not because I can’t heal through it, but because people refuse to dispel themselves and shamans refuse to drop PCT. No thanks.
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I got myth track from vault, still hate this season.
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pfft. I have a 2k rating and I cant even get into 7s.
The only reason I’ve been able to get anywhere is I have an active healer friend I can q with.
They need to interrupt there too 
I mean… 580 is mythic 0 minimum. Most places say thats the right lvl to get into them… You being over geared and they being at the minimum isn’t lazy… They are trying to gear up too.
I get players not interrupting is annoying but 580 is the correct ilvl for 0s
I apologize you are right I misread that.
Heroic gear can be upgraded to well within mythic range. Its pretty similar to what I said really. There are also tons of sources of better than heroic level world content/delves.
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I think that depends on players too and their skill levels and how much their gear can help them perform better for the content they are trying to participate in. 580 is probably a fine ilvl to do a mythic 0 but if people need time to learn mechanics better or are prone to die then a larger ilvl is going to give them a small boost they need.
580 is fine for m0. if people are doing 150k overall dps at 580 ilvl that’s a play issue, not a gear issue.
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Yeah that was what I was simply complaining about. Even if that’s silly, my friend has been grinding to max level and got there last week yet even though we pound through heroics non stop she’s still missing a little gear. She’s a fantastic player and it’s not fair to take her into a mythic if she feels she could do better or something. Lol
We are self competitive like that, which is a great thing to be. So we been doing delves together to get more gear.
I think it would be better to NOT have to rely on other gear to get actually all the way mythic ready gear.
It’s how dragonflight was and it felt better as when players made alts they didn’t have to work on it for a while before getting into it prepared.
It’s a small complaint, nothing serious. But I feel like if heroic gave better gear, it would be a better experience for many.
lol I just realized what I wrote was more meant for another thread complaining about mythics. LOL sorry
Since the crest cap is seasonal, Heroic gear drops at 580 and can be upgrade to 593 which is what M0 starts at.
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Progression has improved with the recent changes, but people will always complain about M+. Why? Because, in reality, M+ just isn’t rewarding enough for the effort it requires. It’s a system where, at some point, the gear you need to run the content is higher than the gear you actually get from the content. How does that make sense?
What I mean is, once you’re running +7s and +8s, the loot drops almost never give you upgrades. The entire system has become about the Vault. Your weekly reward is the only thing that really matters now.
In what other game is the difficulty/gear requirement of the content higher than the reward it gives? Only in WoW can you put in so much effort in M+, only to get loot that’s not even an upgrade, and then wonder why people feel like the content isn’t fun or rewarding.
So, what’s the solution? If you really want to have fun in WoW, you better find a guild and focus on raiding, because M+ is tough content that doesn’t reward you for completing it—only for what you pull from the Vault, and Delves are probably better anyway.
And let’s be real—this isn’t new. Raiders have always wanted M+ progression nerfed. They want M+ to be harder. Now, the majority of the community finds M+ unrewarding and difficult. Who could’ve seen that coming? Shocking.
TL;DR: People saying M+ is hard because it provides the best gear are missing the point. It doesn’t. Most of the time, it’s not even an upgrade. The real reward isn’t from completing the content, it’s from waiting for the Vault to hopefully give you something decent.
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You play a bear Druid though. Bears are the worst tank at eating magic damage. Even on my prot warrior I have to use as many cd’s and they are about as bad at eating magic. Also if you have the tools to survive the cd’s you need to use are irrelevant, there are bear Druids pushing 15’s and 16’s right now.
Because you should be able to do an m0 at 580