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I never called you bad at arguing, canât land headshots with blanks. Lol
But anyway, I donât know, maybe itâs the most popular season in history and itâs just coincidental that my btag is a graveyard (I get made fun of in Discord for still playing, when I tell you everyone quit, I really mean everyone lol), plus 95% of the M+ opinions I see are negative.
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Youâre also looking at a season where they had +2-11 keys that are now absorbed into M0 and not logged.
Youâre argument is also centered around the future which is moving goal posts when it was talking about the present before. The argument was that participation is down, not will be down. Participation is not down and is keeping up.
I canât say it will end the same, but at least 111 days in itâs been ahead.
Forums accounts for ~3% of the playerbase and most of the people come here to complain. That coupled with streamers getting more views to fuel the echo chamber makes it seem much worse than it is. If it was as bad as they said, the numbers would reflect that.
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All strawman arguments. No one said it was the most popular. Simply stating itâs keeping up with prior seasons just fine.
You and your 10 people on bnet are but a blip in the overall millions of keys ran
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Yes, this part. The focus has been on participation, not popularity and reception.
Itâs certainly been repeated from one white knight to another enough that you believe it to be true. But it doesnât make very much sense. Even though you think there is a massive potential audience of WoW haters out there watching these streamers just in case they say something critical about the game, and you are convinced that Blizzard has never done anything deserving of criticism, so theyâre making it up, thatâs not how entertainment works. Do you seek out haters to feed your rage? No? Nobody else does either. People who are annoyed at the current state of M+ stop doing it without notifying you to ask your permission.
But I understand you have an agenda to push, full of tired old claims like your ârage haterâ one.
Leaks turn into problems.
All of this word salad means nothing. Do you have something stronger to counter the numbers I presented? If not, then sit down.
Numbers > Anecdotes.
Cause Dorki, Dratnos, Tettles and Growl donât know anything.
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Show me the numbers. Prove to me that numbers are down. Counter what I presented with actual data.
Itâs not that they donât know anything, they just voice their âcontroversialâ opinion to generate more view. The numbers donât lie. They can.
Some people see problems where there are none.
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Do you not see how literally every single person claiming participation is down canât present any data that reflects it?
Open your eyes and wake up.
Every single one of them are coming at me with emotional arguments, anecdotes, and hearsay.
If you want the argument to be that it hasnât been the most popular and well received by the community, then sure I can admit that there were some major bumps that impacted perception. However, thatâs completely different from claiming participation is down.
Guess weâll both find out.
Iâm sure they are. I doubt most people spend a lot of time on WoW statistics websites, so theyâre giving first-hand, and environmental accounts of how the content is affecting them.
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This.
And this are nothing but assumptions with no data to back it up. We have a new TW event starting tomorrow that will be going for a minimum of 6 weeks, which is generally around the time they have the new patch on the PTR for to allow for testing. They wonât release a new season while another event is taking place, they never do and never will, so bare minimum we have 6 weeks before S2 comes out.
But being halfway through a season with another 100+ days to go? That would bring us closer to 8 months for a single season, no chance.
If anything Delves are more the reason why keys are down, not that M2-11 is no longer there. We all know compressing the key levels has made it so lower keys are no longer 2-7, but instead something closer to 2-4 and so on, which is part of the issue to begin with.
Since when we now get to the higher key levels the compression in keys means an increased difficulty between each key level, which is why when you jump now from 10 > 11 > 12 is feels like you are jumping multiple key levels at a time and why it feels so much slower to progress.
But I did provide data, you just denied it with no evidence of your own.
Currently I think you are the only person here telling us we are all wrong, generally when everyone else is stating the same and you are the only person who is against all the data and information we are providing, have you ever thought that maybe you are wrong?
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Donât have to âfind outâ - i already know. The numbers are there.
Nope. What will happen for the rest of the season is assumptions. Currently with the numbers at 111 days, we know
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Iâm sure this thread is going places.
LOL what? I literally showed you the numbers that anyone can look up and confirm. I told you they are from RIO. You are moving goal posts big time with trying to shift into looking at projections instead of the present. The claim was participation is down. Keyword: Is. Meaning now. Not later.
I doubt we have 100+ days to go. That would make it the one of the longest seasons in history.
You didnât provide data that shows participation is down. What you provided was projecting that participation will be down when the season ends and also comparing end-season numbers with this one thatâs mid-season. Moving goal posts.
The 14 million number would only be if both seasons end at the exact same season length. Which is why I used averages because every season has a different run time.
Correct. Zero point arguing about the rest of the season because thereâs no way to prove either which way.
The only number I seen you provide was that we are at day 111 and somehow without providing any proof, evidence, links or anything else stated we are ahead at the same time as DF.
I gave you actual numbers from the RIO website, actual numbers you can see, numbers that are currently on there, you just threw something at me and didnât tell me where you got it from.
Fact is, and this is a fact that you can check yourself, we are ~40% down on keys completed right now compared to S1 of DF, 40% is a lot when you are talking in the 10âs of millions. We are not talking hundreds or thousands here, we need to get another ~14 MILLION keys completed before S2 begins to just break even.
As for this, we are somewhat assuming, but also using historical data that has proven to be quite accurate.
Turbulent Timeways starts tomorrow, thatâs a bare minimum 6 more weeks of S1. Based on historical data and when new seasons start, it will be sometime around the first of second week after this ends before S2 starts.
And thatâs not just what we are looking at from previous TW events, but also the PTR time frames of past seasons all match up to an end of February or start of March S2 release. We are not simply guessing randomly when a season will start, we are using calculated information that has proven semi accurate from past seasons and past expansions that have been going on for 20 years.
But here is some maths for you, TWW S1 was released on 10th September, thatâs currently 119 days, or 3 months and 28 days, which calculates to 184,581 keys per day on average. We would need a further 77.4 days at that average to break even with DF S1, or for the release date to be end of March, which would bring TWW up to 6 months and 15 days at least.
And thatâs just the calculation on keys, raids are also down ~50% currently, that would require another 3-4 months of raiding to catch up to DF numbers.
Face it, numbers are down, you and Sasori are currently the only two people here trying to deny the numbers are down.
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Well, in some of the earlier seasons (I think BFA and before) the data RIO has is going to be an undercount (due to how the leaderboards used to work)
Looking at dragonflight M boss kills now will include the people who killed them in TWW for mog.