Trust me, even the people that enjoy M+ are tired of these dungeons.
There just isnt any really challenging content outside of raid.
I am just confused by the concept. Every game I have played has a progression system where the harder the content you do the better the reward.
If you don’t like mythic plus, don’t do it. It’s very simple. Go do PVP or raiding to get gear. If what the real issue is that people doing hard content are getting better gear then you because you won’t do those activities that’s a you problem.
I also highly dispute abomination saying the game starts once you have bis gear. I got Aotc and KSM on 3 different toons last patch with not one of them having full bis gear. It was the most fun I have ever had in wow without a single day in bis gear
Right, and so I circle back to what I said before: I’m not sure what more they can do. Sure, they could do better with the various systems and how those are implemented, but from just a pure content creation throughput perspective, they seem to be at capacity.
The Devs are by putting the gear and items we need behind an activity we hate. So we must log in and do dreadful chores over and over again hating the game in hopes of some day we finally are done and can enjoy it. The problem with SL is that day never comes and people are over doing these terrible chores that are in the way of playing the game.
There isn’t a choice you either have to do this stuff or unsub and play another game that doesn’t have these terrible problems. I already said this in response to those post. You must of missed it or you wouldn’t of said it again.
Again more than half the players left, guilds have disbanded or are quiet. The game needs to get better. I have provided solutions to make the game better and you haven’t. You or other people saying to ignore the chores that we have to do in System Lands isn’t a solution, it fixes nothing. Instead how about we just fix the core design that needs to be fixed.
Most people would like more new stuff, but op is asking for everyone to be done in 2-3 weeks because they think trying new builds is content.
then…dont do it? if you dont do high end content you dont need to do m+
easy
Its literally when the game ends. Why do anything if you literally have the best gear? Sure ill help a guildy here and there but with absolute no sense of character progression anymore that would get old real quick.
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The same triple blind study that convinced you Mythic+ is widely accepted and okay. Oh wait, your own bias and Blizzard were the only ones saying that. Of course Blizzard says their systems are successful and well-received.
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Do you not raid?
In an expansion typically no. The most fun I ever had raiding was in BFA doing 30 Tank Heroic Twilight Devastation because it was hilarious and a different way to do the raid. I believe this was the most fun because I don’t like raiding. However I will say the only time I did raid progression was in WoD because I finally could play a spec I enjoy in the raid with Glad Stance. Best Dps spec ever! I love sword and board.
I am definitely a more open world player. Then my activities I enjoy that are instanced are BGs.
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You don’t need m+ gear to do anything, it’s just faster.
You maybe. Not everyone else.
Better for you, not everyone else. If this thread was correctly titled it would say “I’m abomb and I don’t like m+ and I want all my gear at the start.” which is all that your suggestions would accomplish.
Blizz can’t help you with your self-control issues. Fixing those would actually address your concern. Everything in the game could be done without M+ (except for KSM.)
A gross misrepresentation of what his argument is LOL
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Gotcha.
I’m wearing about half bis raid gear atm. And only recently did I get a good trinket from m+. I still do not have my bis ruby trinket and it’s been almost a year.
But I’m still shredding mobs no problem.
You can still get bis stuff from regular runs, btw? You could do just heroic or m0?
Actually M+ would improve for the players that like M+. I already clearly said that. This is a win/win.
Wrong, it would address the elephant in the room. It would fix the toxicity of many of these activities like M+ and systems like weekly vault. It would improve the game for the community from Casuals to Mythic Raiders. That is a good thing!
Again everyone wins.
Now I think I’m going to make some fancy Chanko Nabe for lunch 
Just hoping the game gets drastically better and the Devs pull some ripcords on everything that needs to be. This game doesn’t have to be this bad. For me 19 days on Sub figure I’d use it to be constructive and provide solutions to fix the game. I mean I do want WoW to be a fun MMO again. I got another month sub to hold me over till New World comes out since it was delayed. I’m going to play the heck out of that!
the same blind study that shows its not popular?
So abomination let’s make a summary of what you want.
You want to not raid because you don’t like, only do unrated BG’s and no m plus. For not participating in any of said content you would like bis gear in a two week time frame?
Why would anyone want to play a game like that?
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Now in an attempt to argue with me, you’re making my own argument as to how absolutely ridiculous your standard is.
We’re not talking about the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of an anti-fungal drug on C0VID, this is much more sociological, and even when studies exist in sociology, they tend to be as anecdotal, biased, and non-scientific as anyone elses’ opinion.
This “FACT CHEKT” world has made it so no one can posit anything using any sort of reason, prediction based off of past behavior, or argument, because they’re a conspiracy theorist, while simultaneously acting as if “SOURCES BRUH???” is a legitimate refutal that serves as evidence to prove the opposite of the claim true, and wholeheartedly believing that THEIR beliefs aren’t conspiracy theory by the very same definition.
no im stating how ridiculous your argument is
the rest of your post is nonsense that im not even going to touch
He’s claimed he must have full bis before he can do anything else and that makes him forced to do m+ even though he hates it. Nobody else is forcing that stuff but himself.
I mean in fairness, have you tried collecting all those critters for the Korthia quest? I am not sure I could have done it without being extremely toxic well wearing my mythic plus gear