It should be 220 in the first 8 bosses and 226 in the last 2 in the great vault for heroic. For me it isn’t fair that a +7 has the same ilvl as in heroic. It should be the same as a +12 (at least)
Lol, normal Shriek?
Try M2. Half the raid can be dead and you can do normal
Yeah and you can carry really really bad people through a 15, you can’t do that on mythic bosses which drop equivalent loot
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Mythic raid carries are very much a thing and have been for a very long time. That’s why raid mounts are sold.
It is OP only for the no lifers who keeping running it like some zombies . You can’t design stuff around them , its their time anyways let them do what they want with it . For folks who just do it once a week for vault stuff its not.
I agree that instead of focusing on nerfing the Vault rewards for M+, the focus should be on increasing Vault rewards for Heroic Raiding.
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5 man content is numerically easier to group for. Raiding is nice but mythic raids already have the best gear. That is the ultimate challenge.
Uh what?
M+ gearing doesn’t even get you to the same ilvl as Raiding or PvP.
Well the vault as a whole needs a rework.
Even for M+ going from a 1% drop rate to a roughly 3.5% drop rate for that coveted item isn’t great. Even if you could target an item 100% of the time. It would still take 13-15 weeks just for a full set of gear.
Raids as well - pulling from the entire drop table (including first 3 bosses which you likely cleared week 1) really sucks… then again raids never needed a vault to begin with. The bonus roll was good enough (or maybe less coins but higher % chance).
So they really need to look at how long gearing takes in general.
Personally I think 3months is way more than enough time. The content stops being interesting long before I ever get fully optimally geared.
It’s definitely the ilvl of the Dungeon slot Vault items that’s making the M+ gearing system OP. Like I said, players are running around in Mythic Raid level gear when they could never do Mythic Raid content. If Blizz is just going to hand out 226 ilvl gear like that, then why not give players who kill Heroic Denathrius the same bonus to the ilvl in the Vault slot.
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i died my way through a +7 yesterday having not done mythic+ at all since legion, i think. i have a 213 coming to me in my vault. i couldn’t realistically kill past the first few heroic bosses as i lack the skill to do it. unless i convinced a group to carry me, or buy a run through it. yet i timed my own key that i got from pushing them to the +7. as my first real time trying to “push” mythic+ ever. on a “heck” week, not a “push” week. i’ve been in an at level heroic raid before. but didnt get aotc guldan cuz i couldn’t do the mechanics. despite the fact the raid had me go through the entire raid with them to that point. i was causing issues on guldan. and it was a mythic level raid group. the dungeons i’ve done though… wasn’t remotely a liability. feel free to look up my failings on raiderio, though.
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This is hard to say. There is a lot of overlap between the two communities.
I can don’t mythic raid but do complete M+15s. I pugged my way through 5/12 Mythic Nyalotha in BFA.
I wouldn’t doubt a lot of folks who do 15s (who aren’t carries) could do Mythic raids as well.
The problem is mythic raids require 20 people and a fixed schedule, and for folks like me, we don’t want to commit to that. It’s not a skill problem.
I don’t remember where I saw the stat, but 80 was the average. For many guilds, it’s over 100.
htt ps://kaylriene.com/2021/03/11/how-hard-should-an-endboss-be-anyways-sire-denathrius-discussion/
Even if it was only 40 or 50, my point stands. How many groups fail a +15 40 or 50 times before timing it? Yet it gives better loot than the heroic raid.
Also, the world first kill on mythic took 126 attempts by Limit before they got him.
Tell me what’s more difficult? I’ll give you a hint downing mythic Denathrius is a lot harder than clearing a 14 (don’t even have to time it)
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You’re right. It gets you better gear than raiding and PvP!
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Are you asking for buffed raid drops or nerfed M+?
I think they need to nerf the vault drops from M+
I think maybe make a +20 equivalent to mythic raid drops
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Either would be an improvement. It would be harder for Blizz to nerf the M+ Vault system now though. Players are used to getting easy high ilvl gear that way so the backlash might be big. Increasing the ilvl of Raid slot Vault items might be the more accepted route. Though this will just mean more undeserved Mythic Raid level gear in the game.
I don’t want to raid, ever, but I do want to help my team push mythic plus. So, hopefully they never make raiding required to do mythic plus, because that will be the day that I have to quit wow.
It should never be “required” to do one in order to do the other. It’s just the ilvl of the weekly Vault choice that’s unbalanced. I can say, every Tuesday morning, I don’t even look at my Raid slot choices. All I ever care about is what RNG gave me in my Dungeon slots. That’s where my highest ilvl choices will always be. I’m a Heroic AOTC Raider, not a Mythic Raider, but I get Mythic Raid ilvl gear choices in my Dungeon Vault slot every week.