22% of players have cleared Castle Nathria on heroic but only 13% have Keystone Master so it seems raiding is still more popular.
Also, if you look further down…44% of players have cleared Nathria on easier difficulties but only 27% have cleared all mythics up to level 5.
Ya, we noticed that two months ago. Same Dungs over and over is boring af
My only complaint is how weak the raid vault reward is. There is no BONUS ilvl like M+ and PVP get.
They used raid having a vault as an excuse to nerf the items that drop, and get rid of bonus seals, but without the ilvl boost that’s WORSE loot. Not even the same.
Except gear is how you raid at a higher level. If you just do world quests, you don’t need gear. If you want to progress in raiding, you do.
This is 100% true and I just finished arguing about it in a post that claimed M+ gearing was too slow…
I had 6 slots at 226 before I even got a single drop in heroic Nathria from clearing 14s.
I don’t want to ruffle any feathers - but keystones are way easier with a coordinated group than raiding is.
I got to a point very quickly that I couldn’t get ANY gear from anything other than mythic sire or generals… that is bad design.
I don’t have a problem with M+ awarding 226+ gear but it needs to be an equivalent time investment and difficulty so perhaps they should move it up to +17/18 or something
Tbf, even the mythic raiders don’t really see gearing from raids as being a valuable option, atm. This tier has a problem with the dungeons gear being way too good and way better than the raid gear at every level. Even the pvp trinkets for some is more valuable than what Castle Nathria offers.
At least we can say that next patch is looking to change that around with the new dungeon have gear and trinkets that aren’t grossly overpowering what the raid offers. The dungeon gear is still good, from what we know of so far, but not enough to make the raid gear look like it’s not worth it.
Where are these statistics from considering there isn’t a credible source for the total % of players?
Either way, this proves nothing, there are people who are afraid to do M+ but are comfortable with raiding because they don’t understand how much easier keystones are than raiding
Except no, the gear that DROPS in M+ is ridiculously underleveled for it’s difficulty. A +15 is about the same difficulty as the late heroic raid bosses/early mythic. If your guild is STILL 7/10 heroic then your guild isn’t that good.
The weekly chest for RAID is the real problem here, as another 213 piece (in your situation) doesn’t help at all. It CERTAINLY doesn’t make up for the reduced drop rates and lack of bonus rolls this expansion. Killing 4 heroic bosses should get you a 226 piece. Killing 4 mythic bosses should get you a 233 (not necessarily sire/generals loot the chest should have “titanforged” versions to drop)
Actually PVP is the fastest way to gear up. M+ is extremely slow. You’re just seeing things 4 months later when they’ve had months of weekly chests to gear up from. The REAL problem is how BAD raid gearing is. Not the other two.
no its not it takes a crap ton of valor to upgrade most things, m+ gear is really fair atm the problem with this tier was pvp gear that stuff was op as hell anyone that wanted gear progression did that since raiding drops were garbage and m+ was locked to 210ilvl (what a joke)
Wowhead scans the amount of characters with achievements. I can’t link unfortunately.
I’d say a +15 is equivalent difficulty of normal shriekwing.
My guild is 10/10 as of a very long time ago. I was talking about the first weeks of progression being completely invalidated by M+
You don’t need to upgrade anything … you get a 226 from bone dead easy 14s
The difference between PvP and PvE is everyone can be a mythic raider … not everyone can be a gladiator player.
LOL Ok lets take a look.
You got AOTC on 02/10/21 You got KSM on 02/23/21.
I know you’re just trolling, but your guild is freaking terrible if you think normal Shriekwing is harder than a +2
Not a successful one. Especially if you’re struggling so bad on normal shriekwing.
I don’t raid and even I think this is a problem. The least they could’ve done was had vault raid loot always proc with a socket.
Yes so I got AOTC over two months ago…
14/15 are way easier than heroic raid bosses I’m sorry and they are absurdly easier than mythic bosses.
PS I don’t raid with “my guild” I raid with a guild in Proudmoore
I know, i called it out the same time i called you out for trolling.
I even linked your dates.
I’m not trolling… m+ gearing is way too good in relation to the other option because it takes a lot less effort and time
I think you must have a problem with reading comprehension… I said a +15 was about as difficult as normal shriekwing not a +2
Wrong, it takes the same or more effort depending on your class and it takes WAY more time than PVP gearing.
Months and months of weekly chests.
Now we both agree raid gearing is far too weak but that needs to be buffed.
I think mythic raiders and duelists should have to deal with 210 rewards and one 226 per week from the vault to truly appreciate how slow m+ gearing really is.