If raids scaled I would be CE. If i could have a group of 10 people to mythic raid i would be all about mythic raiding. Heroic raiding is just worthless.
Mythic needs to scale UP, too, to 30 players. Just like all the other difficulties.
Every CE guild has a roster of more than 20 players, but you can only squeeze 20 people into the instance at a time. The worst part about running a CE raid is having to regularly tell people âsorry, you canât play tonightâ.
Yeah, I can see that. I remember raiding back in the day thinking if I had to sit I would find a new guild where i didnt.
If itâs a guild where nobody sits, thatâs a dead guild walking. The moment somebodyâs internet goes out, the guild canât raid.
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What you just said just shows what a great system this is right? Making my point for me that the barriers to entry for mythic raiding are social capital and unlimited free time. Hence why many of us canât even attempt to get CE because literally having jobs, busy lives, or not having a roster of 40 plus online friends bars our entry.
Im not saying mythic raiding is easy or a joke like heroic but Iâm sure there are tons of players who could cut it or at least get partially through the raid if blizzard didnât keep it so inaccessible.
In any other game I can at least get my food in the door to try the hardest difficulty. If Iâm not good enough to do it I can practice and get better or move on. Wow doesnât even let me get my foot in the door and most of you mythic raiders think this is just fine cause you have been on the other side of the door for awhile. Well good for youâŚ
Any competent, team-oriented player can find a CE guild to take them in.
People who think Mythic is just âheroic with 1 extra mechanicâ however, are generally not given consideration.
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I do both because Iâm a well-rounded player that experiences all the content, but Iâll be sure to enjoy my 430s, thanks!
Isnât that literally just m+? Also, youâve never done mythic so how can you possibly know how difficult it is?
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At least now that M+ is actually mandatory for raiding, literally actually mandatory to get BIS, players who are benched can use that time to fill their Vault, right?
it donât matter people are tired of raiding after 18 yrs and the majority of people left playing wow sure wasnât raiding they was doing keys. raiding is old and worn out. and we know the game ainât full of raiders or key runners the sub numbers got so low it was laughable.
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If you get pulled in mid key, be ready to leave that key ASAP though.
So tired of posters like trying to speak for the player base. If you hate raiding fine, stop trying to spew this nonsense that everyone is tired of raiding.
Show me the actual real data to back up this claim too!!!
Biggest issue I have with this is that the top end dungeon grinders have to raid now to compete with the raiders for the titles.
Itâs far easier for a 20 man group to break down into 4 dungeon groups than vice versa.
If I can complete the content without wasting hours in a single dungeon and still progress my character when I log in I donât mind the change as far as my gameplay is concerned.
It did crap on the high end mythic crowd though for no reason other than they canât make raiding rewarding on its own.
I preordered and Iâll play through the story and content. Not sure Iâll stay subbed for long though. Lots of choices that seem poor going on right now.
Your posts would have more weight if they werenât made from a level 50 alt that doesnât seem to have the first clue what raiding is like at the Mythic level.
You have a bunch of regulars, most of them on their mains with their raid experience well displayed, telling you there is a problem with raiding right now.
the evidence is there staring you in the face you know it i know it.
It would be very nice if they would fix it. But that would require Blizzard to listen to their players, so⌠I guess thatâs out of the question.
The ramblings of some forum posterâs anecdotal experiences are not evidence.
I will be happy to consider some actual real evidence though, that is if you have some.
And for 6 years now, CE raiders have had to do M+ in order to get the gear to raid, but thatâs somehow OK with folks. 
And itâs going to be true in Dragonflight, too. Every CE raider is going to be spamming the hell out of M+ the first week of season 1, and for many weeks after that.
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Dis you lil buddy?
https://raider.io/characters/us/stormrage/Valshaw
Good luck timing those keys when theyâre not completely free like in S3/S4. Highest key timed the entire season a 19 before the set bonus power creep⌠but yeah Iâm sure youâll be filling your Vault easily each week.
Diablo Immortal was released on June 2nd, so those numbers include the Diablo Immortal release.
Lower revenues could just as easily be because of declining sales in their cash cows like Hearthstone and Call of Duty. Unless thereâs a brand-by-brand breakdown (dunno if there isnât, I donât remember seeing any), thereâs no way for us plebs to know.
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