Still vastly easier than the mythic raid most likely, and still puggable which mythic raids are not.
Hereâs a update on mythic plus
You hit this on the head. HAMMER!
EDIT: I had a loooooooong post to go with this but it was mostly iterating what you said over n over.
Raiding and M+ have different sets of unique challenges and people can enjoy them both.
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M+ 20-s are easier than Mythic raiding for one reason and one reason only. Less people to screw things up. On a singular individual level, Mythic raids are easy. When you had 19 others you have to depend on⊠Then it gets dicey. Thats the only reason why.
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Thank you!! I hate the tribalism over this, it really only exists in the heads of a small minority of people in my opinion.
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Also the fact that the dungeons stopped adding mechanics at +10âŠ
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That and coordination thatâs inhumanly possible and requires custom weak auras.
And yeah, needing 20 people to not mess up is harder than needing 5, that still makes it harderâŠ
But at the same token⊠I will use Angel place Dungeon in bastion that I cannot for the life of me remember.
The trash there. Its trash. Ezy pzy. But the higher and higher you go⊠+20s. If you do not interrupt that same trash you are going to wipe every time. Suddenly small groups of trash have 1-3 different kinds of curses/abilities going off and if you do not coordinate to interrupt them. You wipe. The bog swoley birds are a good example. There are more and
Iâm sure you know. I think itâs Dark lash or something. Been a minute since i was there.
Yes, I know, Iâve done +20 Spires of Ascension.
Hereâs the thing though:
M+:
- Stuff you used to ignore becomes dangerous.
- Adds nothing new past +10 keys.
Mythic raiding:
- Stuff you used to ignore becomes dangerous.
- Also adds multiple additional mechanics with every difficulty.
Imagine if Mythic raiding was the same mechanics as Normal, just with damage that you couldnât ignore anymore. The whole idea is ridiculous, yet thatâs how M+ works. They should continue adding additional affixes every 3 levels past +10.
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All of what you said I can get on board with but, lets not kid ourselves. 20+s are no walks in the park. They are comparable to at the very least and I comfortably argue this⊠The first 5 Mythic bosses. Thats not a joke. Ignoring the key sellers and boss sellers there are very minute amounts of people in comparison overall achieving these feats. I think itâs an injustice to call the comparison between the two so wide.
Yes it is. In season 3, the only bosses in Sepulcher that were on par or easier than +20 keys were Guardian and maybe Skolex. Everything from Dausegne/Xymox on up was way harder than +20 keys.
A lot of people I hang out with would just do +15s for vault. Then with the addition of the teleports, a lot of folks started saying âgosh, people say those +20 keys are rough, but getting those teleports would be coolâ and so a lot of friends of mine started trying them.
And you know what the universal reaction was?
âTHIS is what people have been saying is so difficult? These are easyâŠâ
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Why are we limiting ourselves to sepulcher, that seems completely unfair.
The first 5 of Nathria and the first 5 of Sanctum were incredibly easy.
I play both forms of content. Something you would have noticed if you bothered to try. Of course you have me on ignore, your little trolling here doesnât work in the face of experience and facts from informed players, so you got to try to steer clear from them as much as you can.
Yeah, I think this Raiimir-Stormrage guy is one of those. Sure looks like it.
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Oh it changes around, for sure. Prideful was a real PITA affix (as was Infested in S1 Legion).
Nerzhul was also a PITA, soâŠ
It was just ping pong. How does that invalidate the other 9?
BFA, and yeah it sucked. Wouldnât have been as bad if the critters didnât run through walls/floors/ceilings.
Youâre right, it was BFA! My memory is infested.
Either way, end of the day net positive change here to both raid and M+, imo.
This doesnât mean you arenât trying to sow discord on these forums.
I usually ignore high posters like you on the forums. You guys donât have anything better to do than to just post snarky remarks.
Barely any of your replies are actually informative or constructive. This is why youâre ignored, not because youâre offering solid rebuttals.
Was talking to friends on discord the other night about this. Iâm of the opinion that 15s and 18s are too easy to be giving out mythic raid level gear (vault). They made an interesting point and said âwhy not just have heroic raid and mythic plus (key level to be determined) award the same ilvl (highest in the game) and mythic raid just be for cosmetics, mounts, titles, and bragging rights?â Iâm not sure how I feel about their idea but its interesting. I know this would cut a lot of people out of wanting to raid because âcharacter progressionâ but I wonder if it could be setup in such a way that each boss rewarded something desirable enough other than gear to make it work.