this is something only a person who has never organized raided before would think is a good idea.
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Thank you. You nailed it
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Generation after generation of introverts. And you wonder why raiding is dying. Need proof ā¦ try calling instead of texting someone younger than 30.
I thought the literal dripping sarcasm was enough of a hint, but I guess it wasnāt.
Not that I need to tell you I have or havenāt raided in an organized fashion before, which I have.
I can tell you Iām tired of ābut M+ gives repeatable loot!ā as a reason to punch it down. People want loot to be more comprehensive and create a more even platform of loot, the conversation starts with how to actually do that, not kneejerk garbage like this:
Toxic trolls whoāve decided theyāre in a camp rather than actually thinking critically about the issue.
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It is a valid reason to not have it drop the highest item levels in the game at the end of a dungeon.
Meh. Under 30 and introvert here, and Iām honestly not a fan of texting. Itās convenient, sure, but itās so damn hard to have actual conversations over text most of the time.
Are you referring to the argument people have posited about making keys at a certain threshold drop Mythic level loot? I do think the concept of non-limited Mythic loot is stupid, but at the same time thereās a weird balance being struck currently with Valor and the Vault system between keys and raids. On the other hand, thereās a certain item level of loot in raids that is utterly unobtainable in other content.
I wouldnāt go so far as to say ājust implement pvp power + m+ powerā or ājust have everything work like pvp gear in pvpā are the best answers, but theyāre potential stopgaps for a real solution. (Not so much a Power system, because thatās honestly atrocious in terms of execution. I never want to carry 4 damned sets of gear around again.)
Max M+ drops are 288. Heroic raiding is 291-298. Where is this alleged best gear in the game?
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What? Iām responding to the hypothetical that has been proposed many times in this thread and others like it that high M+ dungeons should drop the same iLvl as mythic raiding.
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They are talking about the vault reward. 1 piece a week. There is no infinite grinding.
The ātheyā you might be referring to are. The ātheyā that Iām referring to are referring to the dungeons themselves. This is a case of āyou donāt need to jump inā because youāre representing a totally different argument.
Iām sure somebody said they want spammable M+ Mythic loot at some point, but to my recollection of this thread the core point is questioning why the end-of-week M+ Vault canāt potentially scale up to a key threshold where it potentially offers loot at the same item level as end-of-tier Mythic bosses.
All that is fine - there is a reason I only isolated a single line out of your original response to me, because that is the only point I wanted to contend. M+ being repeatable infinitely is a reason to not drop the highest item level, which I think we can both agree is something people do and have suggested.
Nothing else need be extrapolated from my reply. I agree that the vault should offer better options for M+ players, and I would also take another step forward and say that they should be able to target rewards from their vaults in the same way raiders can allocate certain items to certain players
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People do and have suggested that we delete Mythic raids entirely. Should we take that seriously too?
If you mean this, Iād point out the responses that followed where I clearly indicated that that was valid, but most of my point about removing loot locks from Normal and Heroic raiding related to a scenario where gear was capped off at Heroic item level. If that doesnāt happen it wouldnāt make sense.
Iām not taking people seriously that tell me M+ should drop Mythic gear infinitely at end-of-dungeon. People who actually unironically believe that are being off-the-wall stupid.
As to what you said- yeah, ultimately, I think the big takeaway people are getting from the number shuffling between raiding and keys is that there are still disparities that need to be ironed out (on both ends of the scale).
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No, but obviously we are still entitled to respond to what we read on a forum.
How āseriousā you think making some comments in a thread is is up to you I guess, but to me itās just a passing conversation I wonāt remember in 20 minutes.
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You 100% are. Anything you want to say. Hopefully I didnāt make you think that I was trying to suggest otherwise.
Here is the deal trying to gear up an alt for laugh before DF
Qeue for LFR waiting an hour and woot they are on the last boss. If I do m+ I could easily gotten 2 runs in that time and most likely some gear.
Bloody amazing to see Blizzard cater to M raiders who are the tiniest minority of WoW players out there. There are way more people who do M+, so Blizzard screws over the majority to make M raiders feel like special snowflakes. Glad I didnāt pre-order DF. What a mess.
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they increased rewards up to 20, on par with middle of the road mythic I think