M+ Dungeon Tuning Incoming

[Valerrie-thrall]

Its a start… doti still gonna be hell on tyran weeks, same for mlst dungeons…

[Galabris-alexstrasza (Galabris)]

I see the new intended spider boss strat. Clearly it is hero/lust on pull with every DPS cooldown at your disposal imaginable and beat her before she has the chance to pick your squishies off 1 by 1. Probably even have your healer run outside and go DPS because not like they’re worth feces on the fight now. Hero/lust and win or GG we tried.

Edit - Or the new Atal comp is 4 paladins and a mage for hero/lust…cycle them bubbles/blocks.

Edit 2 - You know what actually makes the boss interesting? Nerf the damage to the floor but permanently increase it for every spider that got squished (or add that reached her but that already has a significant punishment) and it now is a 3-4 sec channeled effect on the whole party ticking every half second to allow groups to actually work around it.

[Cyo-azuresong]

@Kaivax

The required enemy forces count for Atal’Dazar has been increased.

By how much?

@Kaivax

• Toxic Saurid’s Leaping Thrash no longer triggers Poisoned Claws on the target.
• Dazar’ai Juggernaut’s Merciless Assault damage reduced by 25%.
• Dazar’al Augur’s Wildfire periodic rate reduced to 1 second (was 2 seconds).

Decent changes… Seems more QoL really though.

@Kaivax

• Dinomancer Kish’o’s Deadeye Aim damage reduced by 25%.
• T’lonja’s Frenzied Charge is now avoidable but inflicts increased damage.
• Monzumi’s Wild Thrash range increased to 100 yards.

Unless your first note includes literally everything else in the dungeon, everybody is still going to skip these annoying tanky mobs, as they always have. (The point is unless you make AD have 0 skips, kind of a pointless change)

@Kaivax

Yazma’s Wracking Pain can no longer be interrupted and is no longer a curse effect in Mythic Keystone difficulty.

You missed the part where you reduced it’s initial and DoT damage by 50%… otherwise, you better be in the RWF to clear a 10 AD on a Tyran week.

@Kaivax

• Corrupted Blood inflicts damage every 2.5 seconds (was 3 seconds).
• Spirit of Gold’s health increased by 33%.

Not sure what this does except overtune Tyran weeks…

@Kaivax

• Radiant Barrier damage absorb reduced by 15%.
• Radiant Barrier refresh damage reduced by 25%.
• Timestream Anomaly’s Untwist damage reduced by 20%.
• Time-Displacement reduces the creature’s health by an additional 10%>
• Time-Displacement on death damage effect reduced by 50%.

Haven’t seen many people struggle with Tyr, but sure?

@Kaivax

• • Chrono-Lord Deios health reduced by 10%.
  • Infinite Corruption damage reduced by 20%.

Does this include the adds? That’s the part people struggle with, just saying.

@Kaivax

• Reduced the total number of Unstable Corruption spawns and Unstable Corruption now spawn more consistently in the Abyssal Halls.
• Vicious Snap Dragon’s Razor Jaws inflicts damage every 1.5 seconds (was 1 second).
• Vicious Snap Dragon health reduced by 20%.
• Gilgoblin Aquamage health reduced by 20%.
• Gilgoblin Aquamage’s Aquablast cast time increased to 4 seconds (was 3.75 seconds).
• Tainted Guardian’s Swell damage reduced by 15%.
• Naz’jar Sentinel’s Crushing Depth heal absorb amount reduced by 15%.

All decent changes; except I’d go so far as to say Aquamages cast times by .25 seconds wasn’t the issue, but the fact that there’s a pack of 6 of them, that were and still haven’t been tuned properly for scaling M+. Crushing Depths heal absorb needs to be reduced by 50%, not 15%, since it’s scaling with dungeon level.

@Kaivax

• Blotting Barrage damage reduced by 15%.
• Blotting Darkness inflicts damage reduced by 25%.
• Neptulon’s Cleansing Flux duration increased to 12 seconds (was 10 seconds).

Good, good. You’re starting to get it…

@Kaivax

• Foul Bolt now has an 8 second initial cool up.
• Splotch spawn closer to the Ink of Ozumat.

Ummmmmm… do you guys know how this boss works? Like, I get the rework, but… what does this even mean? It spawns closer to the boss that you want to pull them away from, or it spawns closer to ink puddles on the floor already? >.>

@Kaivax

Risen Dragon’s Necrotic Outburst inflicts damage every 3 seconds (was every 2 seconds).

Still won’t love that double pull…

@Kaivax

Oakheart’s Crushing Grip throw damage reduced by 15%.

I suppose Tyran week is coming up…

@Kaivax

Maddening Roar increases damage dealt by 20% per stack (was 25%).

K? Was this a huge issue?

@Kaivax

Felspite Dominator’s Sic Bats! will now command up to 4 bats to attack their target (was unlimited).

I’m glad this is here, but it’s the ONLY change to BRH you could think of? Really? Nothing about… okay, take the win I guess…

@Kaivax

Matron Alma’s Lingering Dread should prefer non-tank players.

I don’t have words… A single mob in the basement area gets an “adjustment”, yet you can still pull half the dungeon through walls? My god.

You should really let Tyran week go by first before you start messing with stuff, unless something is completely broken (nothing is, btw)… Like, what’s the point of messing with AD? You guys are the ones who picked 6 OLD dungeons and put them in the rotation for season 3… You had to know people who voted for them voted because they LIKED the way they were, and should be tuned accordingly… right? RIGHT?

[Hunda-blackrock]

THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS

so frustrating

[Kinemetra-barthilas]

That wracking pain change with no context is mind boggling, what information are we missing that makes that make sense? The damage it does is tuned to a point where you need to interrupt or dispel it or it will probably kill someone in a key at a legitimate challenge level, so did you forget to mention rebalancing the ability’s damage at the same time?

The rest of the changes seem fine or even good, but this is just a weird change to make before you’ve even had a tyrannical week on a mechanic that you only saw by screwing up (so far).

[Rayzens-stormscale]

@Fairlight-emerald-dream

I’ve forgotten who it can target because it’s always been kicked.

Hello… yes, i know the answer, it’s me the ret pally who got targeted 3 times on my last key.
If that happens next week and i don’t have a defensive up for each one… well then.

But i’m not worried about me mainly since i know i pay attention, but my other team mates which are usually pugs tbh.

@Cyo-azuresong

I don’t have words… A single mob in the basement area gets an “adjustment”, yet you can still pull half the dungeon through walls? My god.

Maybe more than half as a ret pally.
I’m embarrassed when i accidentally pull something and i actually walk on egg shells all dungeon(as much as i can), can’t even dps properly which i should be able to, since it’s what i signed up for.

[Akapally-barthilas]

Sometimes I wonder if it’s worth taking Lightbringer, or if I should swap out for Ire. Thankfully at the level I play at the tank pulls enough and keeps us away from other mobs so I don’t generally have that issue.

[Rotenfish-zuljin]

Tainted Guardian’s Swell damage reduced by 15% - This was the most important for me lol

[Kennie-malganis]

@Kaivax

Yazma

• Yazma’s Wracking Pain can no longer be interrupted

Why, though?

[Reynahrd-area-52]

@Kaivax

Yazma’s Wracking Pain can no longer be interrupted and is no longer a curse effect in Mythic Keystone difficulty.

Maybe instead of making changes that only impact healers you could ask the other roles to step it up. Adjusting timers would be a good start. A lot of these dungeons are being timed with 20+ deaths.

[Fauxstrasza-stormrage]

that logic doesn’t work because people will always make it into a healer problem. Not enough time? healer needs to dps.

Although, changes like this means people need to remember defensives exist.

[Akston-area-52]

Echoing what others have said.

I hope there is more context to the Yazma’s Wracking Pain change as it doesnt quite make sense on the surface.

[Tékota-zuljin (Tékota)]

The only tuning needed is to remove this nonsense. M+ is hot garbage.

[Fauxstrasza-stormrage]

then don’t play it?

[Shenny-thrall]

@Dirtyangus-illidan

Oh, obligatory, FIRST!

Grats!

[Kalaen-black-dragonflight (Kalaen)]

“Based on Tyrannical data and feedback which which cannot exist, we buffed Yazma to show we don’t play our own game”.

[Kennie-malganis]

@Kalaen-black-dragonflight

Based on Tyrannical data that doesn’t exist, we buffed Yazma to show we don’t play our own game

I thought I had it go off the other day and just outright kill somebody, so I wonder if it’s just a 1-shot on tyranical without an external. Maybe they weren’t topped or something but this is just such an odd change.

I guess they think there isn’t enough unavoidable damage going out…?

[Tékota-zuljin (Tékota)]

Yeah let’s hamstring our progression because we don’t want to do their god-awful, uncreative, 5 man mode. Also, I already did that all of season 2.

[Squishlee-zuljin]

Grow up. Plenty of people love m+.

Also, learn to give feedback in appropriate places, because even if you do want to voice your garbage opinion that m+ should be removed, this ain’t the thread to do it on.

[Fauxstrasza-stormrage]

And yet you never bothered to kill normal sark, even once lol.