M+ changes in DF are bad

The rewards don’t stop at 20. Rank 1 exists beyond M20. The point is now the gap between KSH and Rank 1 is much tighter; there is less dead-space with nothing to do.

This is much more akin to Mythic Raiding, which has CE and HoF.

a classic poster complaining about repeating content, that’s rich

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Didn’t those exist in SL? Or the portals at 20? Or the keystone hero achievements?

So there were rewards then.

They could stop at 2. The point is, 421 gear is 6/8M and 2400 upgrades are baseline Mythic ilvl. It’s a definite game changer for high key pushers.

There always will be. It’s about pushing, not about getting gear. People will climb as high as they can. You don’t have to if you don’t want to.

So then the floor didn’t need to be raised then? You are contradicting yourself.

There will always be unrewarded levels due to the infinite scaling nature of M+, which is exactly why the floor didn’t need to be raised.

I dont think +20s are even close to the difficulty of mythic raiding. I’m not really going to have a problem doing 20s, i can +3 18s all day and even if i couldnt time them i could just face smash my way through it and still get the reward.

It doesnt mean I have to like it.

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They always were. If you weren’t before, you’re probably a BUM

:100: :100:

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The floor wasn’t raised. The floor is still +2.

The ceiling was raised on gear rewards.

And yet, you can still have multiple carries and get CE.

The ceiling is rank 1, or whatever the highest world key is, or whatever is mathematically possible.

The “floor” on max level gear rewards. You know what I meant.

I do say that.

It isn’t about need. I’ve literally explained this in my post. I can quote my post for you if you like.

Understand that what I’m saying is the reality of the situation. I am happy with the change Blizzard made and am happy to be able to enjoy my gameplay. It is the casual Andys who want to tear down my gameplay. They could just be content continuing to do M15s but the idea of another player pulling ahead of them hurts their ego. This is the problem. They want free stuff and they want other to NOT have stuff. Additional tiers of Mythic rewards can’t exist because even though they can still do their keys, other people have stuff they want and their ego and jealously want to tear down the game.

They are toxic and in no way should be negotiated with.

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You think Mythic Shriekwing is harder than a +20 key.

:thinking:

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Side-note, I’m so glad that Blizzard is going to a three-tier raid structure for the raid. The idea of Shriekwing and Painsmith dropping the same ilvl rewards is laughable.

Such a bad design.

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I think it’s a good change.

Getting mythic level gear from 15s was a bit overpowered tbh. Especially when once you have the gear, people were able to time 30s.

Mythic level gear from 20s is definitely more appropriate.

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Did you really just pull a Nou LMAO

Careful, Yonbi is going to say the floor is being raised and complain about loot buffs again.

You’re still getting Mythic level gear at KSM : from 16s.

It’s almost like people fail to even read what is happening before commenting.

Mythic is no where near as hard as you think it is. And im trash

I dont count the first bosses. Except the one from rise of Ashara, i might be misremembering but that one seemed hard.

I would have no issue with that if painsmith was where guardian is. Him being in the middle is stupid