After thinking more on the situation, this overall could be a positive because it may push people to paying me millions for crafted gear again.
Thank you Ion!
Iâm loving the new changes MINUS the increase in difficulty scaling. I think that part is totally unnecessary.
Whether thats true or untrue I dont care. What he said was on point so I shared it. So if you want to refute his point then do so otherwise your comment is a mute point. What he said was factual and on point
He posts a video, gets grilled for it, posts a 2nd video with whatever his comment section told him to say.
If heâs on point, you can be sure he got fed what to say.
Heâs the worst WoW commentator there is.
I donât even want to give him the satisfaction of a view because he would get money for being a grifter if I did.
I dont care about the video. The point he made over that 2min speech in the part of the video I posted was factual. I dont really care about the rest of the video or agree with any of it. Bottom line Mythic Plus replaced Raiding it was never meant to. It became a way to get the same gear with what some would argue less effort. Raiding from a PVE standpoint has always been wows ultimate end game. Ever since day 1 in 2004. Excuse me for agreeing that it should stay that way
Weather he plays the game or not or what his feelings are on other issues? I really dont care. He made a 2min speach about something that was 100% on point so I shared it for that 2min speach. Nothing more.
Then let me sum up his point. A point I 100% agree with. Had you just just had a Karen moment after seeing his video link and actually read what I had to say? You would already understand this and I wouldnât be repeating myself
I see this is an absolute win. The game need FAR less melee players. Casters have had the slimy poop end of the stick for far too long when it comes to their playstyle and it has only gotten worse as the game leaned more and more on trigger responses and high amounts of movement while still keeping casters in this archaic turret nonsense playstyle. There is a reason why you see melee players of all stripes running around and even tanks intentionally questing/doing world content in their tank spec whereas you rarely, if ever, see healers doing the same.
This game is built and functions well for melee and while there is certainly an argument that melee had it rough back in the day, that hasnât been the case for multiple expansions now and the few middling things melee do have to contend with arenât the end of the world.
Evokers, I see, are a new take on casters done fundamentally right. They are highly mobile and can maintain a decent uptime on their ability to cast while moving yet have baked in mechanics to require and incentivize turreting. It is my hope that all casters can end up being far more active and mobile and enjoy the game much like melee characters can/do.
If thatâs what he said, heâs wrong. Typical Bellular I guess, since he doesnât play the game.
M+ has not replaced raiding at all.
Especially early season with a valor cap, Raiding will be your definite better source of gear in PvE than M+. M+ will start catching up as more GV have been looted and the valor cap reaches a level where you can actually upgrade more than a single piece.
Even then, Mythic raids remain the defacto best source for the best gear.
/sigh yet another thread where the two sides of this âdiscussionâ talk past each other. One side with condescension and spite, the other with despair.
By and large the people saying this is OK are people that are 100% not affected by it because they are already mythic raiders or doing 23+ keys already without any struggle. They seem to completely lack empathy and drip âgit gudâ. They are currently largely acting in bad faith.
The other group seems to be composed largely of more casual folks that are now looking at the mountain they are being asked to climb for equivalent results and seeing that it has a lot more warning signs and pitfalls. They are sinking into a pit of despair because they know the reasons they are going to get the gear arenât changing and this will hurt their ability to have fun.
This discussion is pointless IMO because neither side cares what the other is thinking. Blizz has decided the first viewpoint is the only valid one.
Folks weâve been down this road before⌠in Cata and SL season 1, it ends with people burning out and quitting. But neither blizz nor the first group care, the latter sees it as a good thing as best I can tell.
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Thats a Horde Phrase. Its been Trademarked by Horde. Kindly dont use it. Its what we say to be sarcastic jerks to our teammates. The alliance are nicer to each other. If they are not? They should be
Yes. I donât need someone to give a laundry list of reasons why they think they deserve free stuff.
This change is basically âstrictly goodâ / âmathematically correctâ / âelegant designâ. It makes the game a more correct version of itself. I canât really fathom a good argument against it, especially since I donât believe those who rail against it will actually vote with their wallets meanwhile this secured the interest of M+ high-end players who were beginning to feel marginalized in SL.
The whiners have nothing but their whines. Logic and reason are not on their side.
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They arenât asked to climb anything, thatâs the entire point.
KSM rewards are still the same at the KSM level. This is an entirely new tier of rewards. If you canât do it, you canât do it, but youâre not penalized for not doing it.
Because itâs the only rational one. The KSM side is unaffected.
Basically, KSM is the new âHeroicâ and KSH is the new âMythicâ. Heroic raiders arenât mad they donât get Mythic raid gear, KSM peeps shouldnât be mad thereâs whole extra tier of gear they donât get.
Thereâs nothing rational about claiming a loot BUFF is bad.
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Jealously.
Oh you said ârationalâ⌠my mistake.
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You can make that argument about most any topic here. It is incredibly rare for any opposing sides to acknowledge the points and see them as valid because, much like politics, itâs all or nothing and this community especially takes that to an extreme and has since the earliest of times.
The reality is the left of bell curve casual isnât objectively hurting the no life tryhard if they wear the same gear. Gear is not some finite resource where if a baddie casual loots a piece, it takes away from the pool of a âmore deservingâ tryhard. Johnny McCasual isnât going to suddenly up and take Mr Tryhards raid spot and who the frick cares what Johnny McCasual does with his stronger gear. If he wants it to go make picking flowers that smidgen easier, itâs literally no difference to Mr Tryhardâs raid team killing mythic prog boss or clearing their +28 or whatever.
No itâs all about ego and spite. There are people in this game and in this thread whose gaming experience is bettered when people âbeneath themâ objectively have less and they wonât admit it, but having a clear gear gap or shinies others donât have makes them feel better.
Iâve always advocated that everyone should have a path to the best of the best gear. I see no problem with Johnny McCasual doing his world quests and callings and earning valor at a trickle rate and eventually upgrading his craptastic gear to gear to gear as good as mine. The community at the upper mid and top end is supremely toxic and elitist if you arenât part of their inner circle or seen as a peer and I donât blame people for not wanting any part of it but still wanting to improve their character even if at the slowest and longest of paths.
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I think sanguine is still in right?
Thatâs the hardest tank affix.
Necrotic was a joke. AOE stun - run, clear. Or bubble, dwarf racial, etc. SO many easy ways to clear it.
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Hereâs the reality.
I DO NOT CARE ABOUT THOSE PLAYERS.
I want to play a game with a challenging mountain to climb, with goal markers along the way and with rewards at this goal markers that feel satisfying.
These casual players want to tear down the mountain because they feel the existence of the mountain threatens their ego. Of course weâre at odds with each other, they want to destroy what I want to enjoy while I want to simply enjoy the game.
They canât just be happy walking the greenway enjoying their own time there. No, no, they have to want to ruin my experience because they donât like seeing me having fun.
There is no reason, absolutely no reason, they need the gear theyâre asking for. 358, 398, 418, it literally makes zero difference to them as they walk the greenway. Theyâre actively trying to ruin the game for no logical reason, purely out of jealously and spite.
You literally have the whole situation flipped on its head. Casuals could just be happy doing what they do and let those of us who enjoy climbing the mountain have fun. THEY are the ones looking across the curve and seeking to ruin our experience to no true benefit to themselves.
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If these changes drive out more toxic sweaty M+ only players, that is a win my book. I donât even care if this means less people are playing the game, but I donât think the small minority of M+ whiners on these forums would even make a dent in the overall playerbase if they quit.
No actually. The rewards stop at 20. Just like how they stopped at 15 before. So there are 5-10 additional âunrewardedâ levels.
Iâd argue the introduction of the creation catalyst was a factor in reducing raid population.
My guild(s) always did alt clears even mythic first 5 alt runs to get a vault slot or two on peopleâs alts, but with the CC out this was pointless.
Craftable tier led to a lot of people not raiding at all in 9.2 for sure. For better or for worse.
You say they have no need for the gear. The reality is none of us âneedâ gear since none of us âneedâ to even play the game. The reality is you can climb your mountain wearing whatever you get irregardless if Johnny McCasual gets mailed an entire set of 450+ ilvl gear and does nothing with it but go run ICC for his weekly mog run. YOU just donât like the fact he has it because in your mind he doesnât deserve it. Objectively, nothing changes in your world if a baddie casual has good or bad gear except your sense of judgment on if they deserve it or not.
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Yeah, Im a sweaty tryhard thatâs what this thread means. You got me good brother!