wait why does the scaling matter, it just means that the key number that’s considered “high” is just lower
It was like this in BFA, where omega high keys were like 20s or whatever. the actual number doesn’t really matter
People want external factors to blame for their shortcomings. As always.
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You just do a +20 with the new scaling, i don’t understand lol nothing changes
The actual key number means nothing because it’s all relative to what’s considered “high keys”
And if people are worried about not getting intro level mythic loot because they can’t do +20s… well…
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Maybe Mythic tier loot will actually mean something again and Normal/Heroic raid tiers will be more meaningful.
People will find a way to complain about M+, it’s inevitable. I just want mythic ilvl loot from M+ so I don’t need to find 19 other people that can somewhat play their class to get a chance at good loot.
Intro level Mythic loot is available at 16 in the new system.
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even better. that’s the easiest thing on the planet.
Yeah well people see the bump from +15 to +16 to get their same intro level Mythic GV as the end of the world.
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Truthfully i haven’t been paying much attention to the retail forums recently but when i read it i was thinking to myself “people are gonna be upset at this somehow” LOL
the scaling from a 15-16 is like 30% difference in DF
right now a 15-16 is 22%
just looking at this it looks like all u need to be able to do in DF to get mythic equivalent gear is do an 18 in SL? that’s a joke.
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see you later!
No, you need to do an 18 in DF to get a comparable ilvl.
SL +15 vault ilvl is -7 below max mythic ilvl. +15 vault in DF GV is -9 ilvl. To get to get -7 or better, you have to do an 18, which gets to -6 ilvl. Keep in mind that’s a DF 18, not an SL 18.
DF 18 is going to be much harder with the increased scaling, the seasonal affix that has 0 positives to it, etc. A 15 DF is also going to be harder. Increased difficulty for worse rewards, up to a point. The +20 chads are going to enjoy the -3 ilvl gear. They should have that. Blizzard didn’t need to screw up everyone else’s gear in the process though.
We saw them try to pull back on M+ in SL S1 when they nerfed the loot drops from 3 to 2 for timed and 2 to 1 for untimed. We saw just how “happy” the M+ community was that their loot became “more meaningful” and less loot equaled more “challenge.”
In fact, the M+ players were so happy, Blizzard had to backpedal on that nerf just to get people playing M+ again.
DF S1 is going to be intriguing to watch. Fortunately I’ll only be watching it from the dungeon entrance, assuming the boosters can slog through this extended treadmill they’re on now.
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oh yea this is no problem, the scaled +18 is the equivalent of a 20 in SL %s wise. This is good.
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It’s also just drivel that ignores BfA had a 10 ilvl gap from N’zoth loot to other Mythic loot, don’t fall for it.
The standard has always been Base Mythic ilvl, and those 415s in GV come at 16, not anything higher. KSM upgrades to end of Heroic are still in.
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What are people complaining about exactly then this is easy stuff for good loot. Ain’t this what we wanted while having relevant raids as well?
They someone thought they were entitled to all the new ilvl brackets without having to step out of their comfort zones at all.
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Ah, of course. The same people went from saying that raid loot is irrelevant and m+ is too op, to M+ is too hard for good loot. Classic.
Yes, essentially if this system were in the game right this second, you’d have to do a +20 to get the same exact -7 ilvl you could get in S3.
That’s the issue. They indeed did buff the loot for high-key players, which is awesome and what people wanted for a while. But at the same time, they took the nerf bat to KSM-level loot. Whether that part was necessary is the argument.
No, if the system were in game right now, you’d have to do a 16 to get 304s. Stop spreading lies.
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what i’m looking at? These numbers don’t add up here to what you’re saying
What part do you need clarification on? I agreed with your “18 in DF is equivalent to a 20 in SL % wise” statement.