M+ changes in DF are bad

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But a 16 in DF would drop 304s in SL. Not an 18.

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wait wait wait, isn’t “KSM level gear” like 415 ilvl now? And that’s what you get from mythic entry bosses which is max valor gear

i’m so lost i think.

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KSM gear upgrades are 411, which is last boss Heroic. Like right now with 298s. +16 GV is 415, which is the same ilvl dropped by 4/8M bosses in Vault, which is equivalent to current 304s.

Here’s the chart :

Stop listening to Humanbeak, he’s been trolling the forums for years.

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TFW Black and White 2 ALMOST got this right by having the Easy/Hard mode settings but made unlocking them in-game require you to beat the other game and have a second DS or friends to make work.

Let’s not talk about how Challenge Mode actively made the game easier because of Gen 5’s Exp. system though.

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Okay this makes more sense. Yeah something didn’t add up. So what in the world is the actual issue this all looks good on paper LOL

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In the game, at this very second in SL, completing a 15 gives you 304 ilvl in the vault. The maximum mythic iLvl in the game, right this second, is 311. That’s a -7 ilvl difference.

In DF, to get to a -7 ilvl difference or better, you’ll need to complete an 18. That’s in DF, which we agree is equivalent to an SL +20 percentage-wise, correct?

In essence, when DF S1 starts, you’ll need to complete a dungeon equivalent to an SL +20, to get the same gear in the vault that an SL +15 awards at this very moment.

Does that help?

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The complainers are the ones who can barely get KSM, but feel entitled to Mythic Raid loot. They are also the ones, cough cough, who buy KSM boosts.

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It is a buff, but some people are jealous they suddenly won’t max out loot in easy 15s.

Stop it, the maximum loot in BfA Season 4 was 485 and the maximum GV was 475, which was the baseline Mythic ilvl.

You’ve never had a -7 guarantee, that’s just stupid.

All you were ever promised at KSM level keys was baseline Mythic ilvl. That’s 415. That’s what you’re getting in DF.

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Let’s debunk this again:

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You can say “I don’t care” about the gear all you want, yet here you are.

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Correct, seeing KSM-level players get the shaft is something I will happily speak out against. It’s also ultimately going to affect boost prices, which does concern me.

I’ll say this yet again: there was nothing wrong with giving you +20 chads higher gear. Blizzard could’ve done just that without nerfing the KSM club.

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all u have to do is a +16 for mythic level loot from GV i feel like this is free loot

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Yet, you are not one of those players. There is nothing wrong with Blizzard leveling the field and making Normal and Heroic raid loot more meaningful. In Shadowlands, there was legit no reason to raid Normal/Heroic if you can just spam +15s and out gear the raid in a week.

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The same loot they’ve always gotten they still get.

Somehow, that’s them getting “The shaft”. For +1 key level for GV, +0 key levels for EoD/Upgrades.

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Odd thing to say. I even have the portals :slight_smile:

Sorry if you’re not happy that some of us use our gold wisely to save on loads of time.

Maybe if raids weren’t designed to waste more time on anything but the bosses, it’d be more popular.

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You are not a KSM-level player if you openly buy boosts. You can have KSM, but clearly not be a KSM-Level player.

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FTTFY. Playing requires pressing keys, not just trading gold.

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The good news for you is I didn’t start buying boosts until S3. BFA S4 and SL S1/S2 were the good ol’ pug machine. Never again :slight_smile:

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Lol, are you seriously bringing up BFA again? No one cares about what you did in BFA season 4 with Corruption doing all of the heavy lifting.

Which you were unable to get KSM on your own.