Obviously there is also a difference between a dude that has been playing the same class/game for 18 years, and the person that has been playing 8 months.
The game needs to be overall accessible.
It might boggle your mind, but if the diff curve overshoots where the median skill level is there are big issues.
Maybe you’re a masochist.
I want to make progress, have a beer and have a fun night when I play wow.
I think that would still be better than now. Becoz right now, +15 is your max gear for M+. When you do +16 all the way to +20, you basically have the same gear… zero gear difference… I would accept any gear % increase than nothing.
Current +15 is a faceroll. To me, a game that is a faceroll is bad.
Yes, it boggles my mind anyone would think a system that scales so granularly isn’t already accessible.
Are you saying there isn’t a brick wall diff jump between heroic raiding, and mythic raiding?
Is that a granular shift?
Right … so the end of one, vs the start of another. Amazing comparison. LOL … get off it.
Heroic raiders already attempt to do bosses 1-4. They aren’t mythic guilds.
Uh… Heroic Denathrius vs Mythic Shriekwing much ?
If anything, you’re taking a few stairs down when going from AotC to boss 1-3M.
But what does raiding have to do in a topic about M+ ?
there isn’t. the first few mythic bosses are almost always easier than the last one or two heroic bosses. plenty of aotc guilds get their first mythic kill or two before they get aotc.
killing the loot piñata’s does not a mythic guild make. You guys know you’re wrong, and are just trying to deflect.
The entire game is connected, big picture. It’s relevant.
What does progress devoid of challenge even mean? What does that even mean?
It’s like saying making progress through a book or TV show. No, you’re just passively consuming it at that point.
You’re moving goalposts now. First your argument was the brick wall from Heroic to Mythic, when disproven, “Oh but I didn’t really mean Mythic raiding, just the late bosses”.
And all of this is off topic, this is a Wendy’s sir (thread is about M+, not raiding).
It wasn’t moving goalposts. IF anything you cherry picked to strawman.
Guess we should kick out all the raiders in this thread. You heard it boys. Raiimir said your concerns about the changes aren’t valid.
Start a thread about raiding and the “brickwall” from Heroic to Mythic ? This isn’t the topic of the thread (nor does a brickwall exist between both difficulties).
Mythic raiding.
Raiimir thinks to himself … THAT MUST MEAN THE FIRST TWO BOSSES.
Hur dur. smrt
I’m highly confused what you don’t understand. Going from Heroic raiding to Mythic raiding implies you’re clearing Heroic and then stepping into Mythic, encountering the first few bosses as your first Mythic encounters.
The transition between both is granular, so much so, the difficulty actually goes down stepping into Mythic only to ramp back up and surpass Heroic raiding at the 4 or so boss point.
How is this complicated to you ?
You tried to imply a brick wall between both difficulties. In game, that brick wall doesn’t exist.
Where ya gonna get the other 10 people? Or did you just assume they already had 20?
Same place you got the first 10.
More goalpost moving. Now it’s not about the bosses and their mechanics, it’s about your failure to maintain a roster of more than 10.
I don’t even know guilds who raid with 10 anymore.
None of this has anything to do with M+ changes. This is completely off topic.
Lots of assumptions and you putting words in my mouth bud.
And the tangent wasn’t about raiding. It was about difficulty being out of touch with the player base.
I’m not off topic at all.
Everyone can read. You trying to state your victory and squelch all further discussion is pathetic.
Don’t think I will. Thanks. 
Dude, you’re completly off topic at this point. Look, you said something that was wrong. Doubling down and moving goalposts only makes you look worse. Just accept there’s no brickwall and move on.
I think grievous is just fine.
This is something that’s a bummer. It was exciting to get a new affix that had a plus side to it. I pretty much don’t really like any affixes they are just annoyances but the seasonals could be fun and now they’re just making it less fun.
I like it that gear scales up to 20 instead of 15, but doing 20’s is very easy for me and even if they’re a little harder it’s not going to be out of reach.
lol except then you are behind. you missed out on alot of the expansion cycle. oh no cov. were locked and conduits had energy bars oh noooooo. better off just not playing the game? 99 percent of that crowd will come on here demanding rep gets nerfed and skips get made even easier because they are behind lol
I think they are going to be a lot harder increased difficulty with no affix to help.