Raising the difficulty and requirements will only make less people do m+
And no, most won’t suddenly swap to mythic raids. Almost nobody does or cares about mythic raids anymore
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No, the point of the changes was that M+ has been a free ride where people were getting top-end gear for doing trivial content, and stretching out the gear curve like they’re doing at least makes the top-end gear require doing stuff that is - in theory - at least somewhat challenging.
Actually getting more people in raids would require fixing a bunch of the problems with raids - which Blizzard shows zero signs of doing, unfortunately.
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If you design your game so that people can engineer a solution that makes the core gameplay loop being utilized process faster, but does so while taking the fun out of it, people will do it, and they’ll resent you for letting them do it.
I killed Mythic Council of Blood once and we DEd everything that dropped. The same thing happened with Mythic Painsmith. That shouldn’t happen, especially not on a first kill.
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… How do you not know what “Andy” means if you’re in this community ?
The goal has never been to make people swap to Mythic raids.
The goal is the opposite : give M+ players a chance at higher ilvl loot without having to go into Mythic raiding.
I heavily disagree with this. They’re going to push people away from the game.
If anything they should’ve made raiding easier, not make mythic+ harder
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The only people who would get pushed away are people looking for a Monty Haul experience, and they’re going to leave anyway because that beast cannot be kept sated.
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lots of people don’t use twichisms or watch that garbage. Newsflash, but lots of wow players are quite old.
What happens when you get a bow with no hunter? It will still happen.
Or your entire raid team is already clearing +20s? Same issue could happen.
Or it drops a trinket that isn’t BiS for anyone? No one wants it.
Your (DF) “fix” assumes your raid team is gearing exclusively through raids. Again, just because the ilvl is higher, doesn’t inherently make the item better.
Yeah except now we have to do 20s which scale harder than live now, with no seasonal affix that helps us AND
Raid loot went from being 6 il above great vault to like 9 or more…
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Old doesn’t mean out of touch. It just means out of time.
Now you’re stuck with that song in your head for a few hours.
(plus I bet I’m older than you).
You don’t have to. Your same baseline Mythic 304s are in 16 keys.
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I’m 45. Not that old, but not young either. Also immune to songs being stuck in my head. I can’t remember lyrics, no matter how hard I try. ADHD says … no
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Fair enough, lost the bet by a year.
You’re out of touch
I’m out of time
But I’m out of my head when you’re not around
Yeah but us that run m+ want yo eventually hit bis for m+. It is not fun when our bis is in a different game mode.
The fact that no matter how far we go in m+ it is impossible to get bis.
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Yeah, im 43 and I have no idea what that is. I looked it up and I cant say I have ever heard that song in my life.
Which this is fixing. Your BiS for M+ will not be 100% Mythic raiding or bust anymore.
That monk you’re posting on right now, it’s not wearing BiS either.
You’re quite… Out of touch. 
How. It’s like one of those 80s one hit wonder songs that plays on Easy listening radio every 15 minutes.
That’s akin to not have heard Never gonna give you up before it was a meme.
The moment you try to call out my toon I post on is thr moment you lost the argument lol
Ever since I got beta I have not logged into retail at all. This monk isn’t even my main either.
Anyways the raids can drop up to 430 gear possibly more with their new similar to titanforging system for gear. Timing a 20 gets you 421 in vault. 430 is higher number than 421.
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How so ? Apparently you’re ok with your toon not having BiS to run keys.
2 items, one of which your monk wouldn’t be able to use since it’s a bow. The other is a ring with very high mastery that requires fire damage to even use its special effect.
430 gear doesn’t exist.
424 is what boss 7 and 8 drop. 421 is much closer to 424 than 304 is to 311.
Considering most guilds going for boss 7 and 8 will be extending for weeks, M+ 421s will be a much easier source of high end gear than farming boss 5 and 6 which if you’re in a CE guild, you won’t see for probably the entire season.
The 430 is the “possibly more”.
The last two bosses drop 424 except 1 430 ring and 1 430 bow.
What’s funny is this monk is literally all 298 bis gear from keys. No vault or raid gear though. Just pure m+ grinded.
But I dont play monk anymore. My other preferred toons would use 430s sure, because I play every class. And of course I’ll go for a 430 weapon iver a 421. And I will hate it. Why can’t i just do keys for that 430 lol.
But anyways the toon I post on has nothing to do with this discussion you’re just out of stuff to talk about besides the same disproven things others say.
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