Are you counting slots where you can catalyst it to the raid version with the raid version’s stats (belts, boots, etc)?
Because that’s not exclusive to raid, either.
Are you counting slots where you can catalyst it to the raid version with the raid version’s stats (belts, boots, etc)?
Because that’s not exclusive to raid, either.
Ok so you are just delusional I see now lol
You are talking about something that isn’t even in the game yet for gear. That you can only do once a week even when it comes out…
I guess you are right I conceed. I’ll just go and get my BiS trinkets by doing M+. Ohh right I can’t so I guess ill just forever be punished.
We should nerf M+ loot to solve this problem.
I’m talking about the length of season 2. You only want to talk about right now, while also completely ignoring that MOST of the game’s 447 gear that people are wearing RIGHT NOW came from M+ (either vault, or crafted with M+ aspect crests).
In fact, you seem to be ignoring crafted 447 gear completely, which is going to be BiS for many stats for most people and relies on the easy and fast acquisition of Aspect crests from trivial content in M+.
Guess you can’t read and rather spin your own narrative. I already covered that as well.
“10 BiS pieces from raid, 2 BiS pieces from crafted gear, and a massive 4 pieces come from M+.”
Wym. You cannot get 4piece without raiding right now. That’s a huge and mandatory bonus.
Raids have had obscenely broken items since the beginning. What is this argument???
I guess these people cannot figure out 90 percent of BiS trinkets drop in raid as well lol
Not like trinkets are a big deal anyways XD
Jailer mace, Edge of Night, Old Warriors Soul, Raz bow, Asskandur, all the trinkets in Aberrus right now. Like what are we talking about lol???
We’re in week 3(i think?) and we’re already at a point where even if you do a 20, people rarely get something they actually need. M+ is not just handing out upgrades every run. It hasn’t even been a month.
Anyone who says otherwise is trolling.
Maybe you should read the thread.
I started season 421 ilvl. I only do M+ and am now 429 equiped 433 bag. I don’t make crafted gear so I won’t lie and say that wouldn’t give me a few item levels.
However even with that being said i’ve already done around 100 keys. I don’t raid so I have no raid kills.
Tell me why I see raiders in the same keys as me. They are legit like 441 ilvl lmfao.
If they are literally over 10 ilvls ahead of me and the only difference is them doing raid. How the hell do these people come up with M+ gear being broken. I just cannot understand it at all.
As someone who doesn’t raid I see right through the BS so fast.
I already explained this to you
You don’t have to do M+ to raid, doing so is simply the path of least resistance. I cleared 8/9 normal on my 390 Brewmaster Monk yesterday, which I have literally never tanked a raid on before, and it was so easy. I would wager for heroic you maybe need 410 ilvl to clear the whole thing.
Mythic raid is an entirely different story, but from the people I’ve interacted with that do Mythic raid, they also do M+ because they enjoy it, not because they have to do it for gear.
Also, what chores are there to raid? I walked to the instance and cleared it. It isn’t like you need to farm gold for consumables for hours like people did in Classic.
I’m only talking about Mythic raiding. Normal & Heroic - like M+ dungeons - are trivial.
The irony of you saying something is trival when you failed over 50 percent of your keys last week is kinda funny.
I’ve already read you be wrong about M+ thousands of times. Most of your slots are raid gear.
They’re not going to compartmentalize the game. Subs will plummet and people have explained this to you several times.
M+ is not OP. Raiders just made that up.
Most of my slots are from last tier lol.
So much for raiding being “rewarding”.
So many people would just quit if you removed being able to use gear in either or, it is not a good idea.
I understand the struggle you are explaining but It really comes down to those who invest more time in their characters are having an easier time. I would never raid again if they made it so m+ gear doesn’t work there.
Except that’s not how it works. People who spend time spamming M+ are rewarded. People who raid, are not.
Unlike last tier at least, m+ trinkets suck for many classes and the raid ones are pretty solid with anvil and chromatic, class trinket maybe…they kinda gutted that. Also doing the raid helps get your tier MUCH faster and is the most efficient way to get crests in terms of time spent.
But you have 4pc which is only possible if you raid. That’s the biggest dps gain you can obtain besides a weapon (maybe).
Chromatic essence is also a strong item (well, if the right conditions are met).
Raid trinkets completely **** on M+ trinkets this tier.
People who do BOTH are rewarded, aka more time in their characters. M+ players need to do raid to get their 4 set by now.
You can’t even cap on crests from full-clearing the raid. You MUST do Mythic+ in order to cap on crests.