It’s been for 10 years.
Yes you agree with me.
Yes you agree with me.
Yes you agree with me.
Which is why…
DV is not bis for prot pallys and it never will be. Also if you are going to roll on an item for pvp, state it before the raid begins, the op is right to be irked healers get prio for healing items, also Your MS is the spec you raid as, and that is your default loot UNLESS STATED OTHERWISE BEFORE THE RAID SO EVERYONE IS INFORMED → not this is just to state the obvious and in now way intends shouting.
Here’s the thing you have to remember about tanking: the only hit point that matters is the last one. If a tank is able to consistently survive a fight, they don’t need more health. It’s a total waste to continue stacking more
What, then, does a tank get for their trinkets besides more stamina? Damage of course. If the tank has the stats they need to survive, there’s literally no reason not to try to eke out as much damage as possible, resulting in faster fights with less opportunity for things to go south. You can’t take damage in the first place if the boss is dead
With that in mind, if a prot paladin is trying to stack more damage because they don’t need anymore stamina, then Death’s Verdict absolutely is their BiS
You can argue all you like that it should go to a dps, as the damage it provides them is much more valuable than the tank, and if it were a guild run you’d be right. But this is a pug, where everyone is out for their own progression
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So what you’re saying is that when pvpers put in the extra effort to get something from a raid, you take a steaming pile of crap on them for it and gatekeep raids from them then further pinhole them when they cry they need to raid to get items to pvp them you go " if you can’t hack it in raids then you don’t deserve to pvp either, do all content noob"
So then they do all content and you’re gunna cry on your priest that a DPS won it after you literally paid to win to get it on your own boomkin
Solace is far from Boomkin bis
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Nope Dv will never be a prot pallys bis, its non sensical to even think it is, I tank a lot too and I would absolutely not roll/100 for dv, I also PVP more than I raid by a mile and I would absolutely state my intensions before the raid starts so everyone knows, also a tank does not need to stack damage, you are a tank go tank. Also these things I mentioned are called best practices, they are common sense when playing wow, like really common sense, I can tell neither of you have jobs. Also look up what pug is, understand what MS >OS is. Its not that hard.
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Scrolling up will help with that.
Well this is just completely wrong.
Ever since Vanilla a Tanks roll has also been damage. That is how Fury Prot became a thing. It did more damage so was more valuable. Blizz then realized this and then gave Tanks better options to fulfill this roll and put out damage as a main part of their tool kit.
To say a Tank should be doing damage and should be a meat shield is just a horrible take and no sane player agrees with that, not even Blizz.
Has been for 10 years. Hasn’t changed.
Of course there are some other good damage trinkets that can work their way in as place holders. A Prot Pal will want a Heroic DV though. In the Original Wrath many Prot Pals actually used Normal and Heroic DVs. It was that good and here is an old original wrath guide and pic saying just that.
Nope, Nope Dv will never be a prot pallys bis, its non sensical to even think it is, I tank a lot too and I would absolutely not roll/100 for dv, I also PVP more than I raid by a mile and I would absolutely state my intensions before the raid starts so everyone knows, also a tank does not need to stack damage, you are a tank go tank. Also these things I mentioned are called best practices, they are common sense when playing wow, like really common sense, I can tell neither of you have jobs. Also look up what pug is, understand what MS >OS is. Its not that hard.
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Saying something completely wrong over and over doesn’t make it true. 
If you get bent because Prot rolls on DV that is your problem to get over. They have every right and expect it too happen. It’s that simple. There is no need to keep trolling it’s been explained to you.
The proper information has been at least provided in this thread and the Prot DV thread.
So now people who aren’t ignorant to information will understand what is BiS and that who will be rolling on it. That’s all I can do. Lead a horse to water. After that it’s on you.
Not responding any further this thread has run it’s time.
Nope, not even angry. DV is not bis for prot paladins and it never will be. Also Nope Dv will never be a prot pallys bis, its non sensical to even think it is, I tank a lot too and I would absolutely not roll/100 for dv, I also PVP more than I raid by a mile and I would absolutely state my intensions before the raid starts so everyone knows, also a tank does not need to stack damage, you are a tank go tank. Also these things I mentioned are called best practices, they are common sense when playing wow, like really common sense, I can tell neither of you have jobs. Also look up what pug is, understand what MS >OS is. Its not that hard.
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For loot salty gamerz… probably. I’m not one of them. As long as guildie gets an upgrade I’m happy for them. Selfish people can cry rivers.
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Nobody cares if they want the item for PvP if it’s actually for the spec they’re raiding on.
It’s relevant when it’s not for their spec they are raiding on.
If they want Solace for Boomy PvP then they should raid as Resto OR ask before the raid.
Do you think I’m the OP? lmao
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Funnily enough, phase 1 and phase 2 I lost my prot warrior bis weapon to unholy DKs multiple times. I’m not sure where solace lands in terms of boomkin trinkets, but it’s really not as simple as saying “MP5 means casters can’t roll”.
As many people have said in MS>OS, an upgrade is an upgrade. The people talking about PVP have clearly lost track of the discussion, none of that matters in the slightest.
The takeaway should really be that OP needs to find a group to run with who run loot rules they can agree with. Running with PUGs is just asking for loot drama.
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Solace isn’t even top 6 for boomkin and agreed with no PL pugging is just taking a risk. Needless to say I quit, better games that value my time more and don’t have to deal with bs like this. BG3 has been great.
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DC is bis for threat for a prot paladin. Not even sure why this is debatable, any dps trinket will be, if you go full mitigation good luck keeping threat.
However, since the normal version will be farmable from gamma dungeons, it would take only an idiot to loot that over a dps.
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Mate a class that has no trouble keeping threat without it needs it for threat? Well tickle me purple, I suppose our tax dollars also go back to invest in our economy to the sole benefit for the people and not to politicians and their friends and family 
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Your group is 5 healing normal… your holy paladin is spamming flash of light…
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Ignore this troll. He argues for the sake of arguing with his spurious BiS is BiS arguments. We understand BiS lists
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Twins is where we’re stuck. We end up doing Normal because we can’t clear Heroic - as I said, the middle stack group is having trouble not getting hit by orbs
As for what the Paladin is doing, I can’t speak for what the other healers are doing, and I’m not going to try to. Especially not a Holy Paladin, my least experienced spec in the entire game
Hell, I can’t speak much for any of the raid, I only just joined the group about 2-ish months ago I think? From what I’ve heard the raid leader has a mild case of PTSD trying to direct Ulduar hardmodes
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