Lol. I agree. Get rid of LFR and then put a nail in the coffin of raiding in WoW.
Nah. LFR is “raiding” at it’s absolute most basic level. More of a technicality than anything. “Real raiding” has a different vibe to it.
It’s not a matter of looking down on others, it’s trying to drill it into them that LFR is there for you to see the story and not to overcome a set of gameplay challenges.
Can LFR be difficult at times? Sure, I’ve had some LFR groups that made me feel like I was healing Mythic Rygelon. But it’s not because the bosses are challenging, it’s because the players in the groups make it challenging.
Raiding could be considered one of the peak experiences about playing MMOs. And that’s what it is – a group of nerds trying to take down big internet dragons. Does LFR fit the definition? Sure. But it lacks a lot of the socialization of “real raiding.” That’s all.
LFR is raiding and Wow’s own website says so. It says “You may enter a Fated Raid in any difficulty (Raid Finder, Normal, Heroic or Mythic).”
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It’s for both. Blizz themselves have acknowledged that.
For some. And it’s only thousands of people in a game played by millions. So it’s not considered that by most.
LFR like all parts of the game is what you make of it. And I’ve had conversations with people there and all parts of the game that I’ve played.
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Maybe 20,000-50,000 of players have CE Jailer. (China’s API is weird, but it’s at least 20,000 or so)
Let’s say the game has 2mil subs, and we’ll use the 20,000 value. That’s 1%.
You say “thousands” but I’m just looking at the pinnacle of the raiding scene. I think you’re severely underestimating participation rates of raiding as a whole – even without including LFR.
No it’s because I’m going by clears. Most people don’t raid and they even said before there are tons of people that don’t even make it to max level.
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According to RaiderIO, there’s ~1100 clears based on Guild.
Let’s just give the estimate of 20 unique players. That’s 22,000. And China’s API is weird, so they might not have all the numbers.
So 20,000 is a fair value.
Yeah that’s still thousands.
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So is 999,999. But that’s a dumb statement.
Im not even adding AOTC or Normal mode clears to this value.
Saying “thousands” implies 1000-9999. So, you’re being rather dishonest.
No it’s not dumb at all. And it’s not 999,999 so it’s not anywhere close to a mil. Yes, raiding is a minority in the game. It doesn’t make it bad. It doesn’t mean it needs removed. It’s just not the majority of people that play the game.
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“thousands”
“tens of thousands”
“hundreds of thousands”
“millions”
…
Again, you’re being honest about the magnitude of the numbers.
Hundreds of thousands have probably killed at least Normal Jailer or higher.
In lfr you are hitting a target dummy that throws art at you. And you can watch it hit you and do nothing.
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If it’s tens of thousands it’s still nowhere near the majority. You are getting hung up on it. It doesn’t matter that it’s not in the majority.
And as far as Jailer, they said it had the least clears of this expac. It doesn’t matter though. It’s not like they will get rid of raids.
More people are social in LFR chat than most ‘normal-mythic’ runs so I’m not sure what you mean by ‘social’.
If it’s true, then BC has more players (overall) than retail just by looking at raiding numbers since it has more parses than retail raiding.
- I strongly believe the cat should be available in LFR.
- LFR isn’t raiding other than by a technicality. there is no organization, no leadership, no strategy, no risk of failure, no requirements for good play, no repercussion for poor play, no communication,
yes, it’s 20 people in an instance technically called a raid instance.
that is literally the only thing it has in common with actual raiding.
no, I’m not campaigning to have it removed, it’s here to stay. I don’t actually have a problem with it, I just think it’s funny how upset people get when they’re told it’s not really raiding.
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If a raid isn’t a raid if its not hard then… is molten core not a raid? 
its easier than lfr… soo…. 
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Just cuz you call something a word doesn’t make it so, I mean look at pharmaceutical, government institutions these days it’s like they do their darnest to bend reality to their will with
words vs reality
It would all be a great laugh if it wasn’t so dangerous
Lemme laugh real quick
I’ve never even met the Jailer.
So, you’re saying I’m one in “Hundreds of Thousands”?
Awww, shucks.
Blizzard seems to think so sadly.