That happens constantly though? People que up for lfr and then afk or just die ASAP.
Folk who try really hard to be elitist don’t impress me because I’ve seen it to a much higher degree in the past.
You could say I’m an elitist about elitism.
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That’s dumb. Its raiding. Now, the difficulty has been removed to the point where it only superficially resembles the raid as designed, but sure, I’m fine if people call it raiding.
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So what?
The difficulty doesn’t define a raid.
It’s a raid group, in a raid instance, put together by a system called “Looking for RAID” which makes it a . . . wait for it . . . raid.
LFR is LITERALLY Looking for . . . wait for it . . . RAID
Oh look, LFR being listed with the other 3 raid difficulties because it’s, you know, a raid.
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LFR consists of many different types of people:
- People who just want to complete story.
- People who use to raid but lifestyle or reaction times changed whether they can raid
- Other people who need a lower difficulty for accessibility reasons.
- Other raiders looking for tints (and during BFA) certain trinkets.
- People who have part of a group formed but can’t get into the same pug together.
It is a raid, just not one some people approve of. Because people love nothing more than to look down on others. It’s a toxic part of the community that Blizz cultivated for a lot of years, and needs stamped out.
It’s not anymore or less social than pugging. And you can strike up conversations with people in any part of the game. LFR does not bar this, and I’ve been a part of many discussions in LFR. This is how I know some people were in there looking for tints and certain other items.
People doing LFR are not people not playing the game. Usually people doing LFR do many other things in this game out in the world. And it is World of Warcraft, not Instance of Warcraft.
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Because we disagree on what words mean.
To you, “raiding” requires teamwork or it isn’t raiding.
To me, “raiding” is entering a raid zone.
We can never agree. Do you understand?
Y’all are really gonna just keep biting for him?
A lot of people are going to be in for a life changing shock when they learn you can solo past expansion’s raids at all difficulties.
Correct. If you enter a mythic raid, you are a mythic raider. Just like if you enter the water, you are a swimmer.
You are assigning erroneous prestige to a simple designator of a person’s choice of activities.
There is no prestige associated with raiding. That has always been “all in your head.”
Many people romanticize ideas about raids being tied to prestige, but different people are impressed by different things, and someone gassing you up for completing group content is no more meaningful than someone saying you’re the greatest WoW player alive because they enjoyed your MRP profile. Raids are just one type of zone in the game. Playing in them does not make you special.
I understand, yes. We will never agree on what the word “raiding” means because I don’t have any of the qualifiers for it that you do. I do not consider it a prestigious title or activity, and so I have no qualms calling it exactly what it is. You are neck-deep in a No True Scotsman Fallacy, and I lack the towing power to pull you free.
I appreciate that, but my question was asked in the same vein as “is water wet?”
“Is Looking For Raid Raiding?” isn’t a valid question. Of course Looking For Raid is raiding. The question answers itself. But I did ask for your answer, and you did give it. So, much appreciation for that. 
To paraphrase The Sixth Sense:
“Because I see Elitists. Posting around like regular players. They don’t see each other. They only see what they want to see. They don’t know they’re Elitists.”
I’m not saying you’re necessarily elitist, but the stance that LFR is not raiding is extremely elitist. LFR is a mode enjoyed by a lot of people. Almost all of them consider it low-level raiding. Attempting to invalidate their self-image and disenfranchise them from rewards (like the Slime Cat) because they aren’t “real” raiders is just bigotry. “Play like we play or miss out.” That’s scummy, bro.
You likely have the best of intentions when explaining why you see things the way that you do, but to people who don’t give a damn about all your teamwork and sweaty coordination, it’s bad optics. It looks like you’re kicking your little brother in the groin just to be mean.
Now, I don’t do LFR. I don’t like raiding. I don’t enter raid zones unless they’re old and I’m soloing them. So, I don’t have a dog in this fight.
I just see one segment of the population mercilessly insulting, disrespecting, and devaluing another segment of the population, and I see Blizzard making design decisions that reinforce that toxic behavior.
I felt the need to address it. And so, here we are.
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Thats not healthy
/sipsInMtDew
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It is raiding, people just like picking on players who play on the easiest option.
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Such a huge ego over a video game. Sounds like you should touch grass, instead.
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Always true. All of it is based on such childish feelings and ideas, it’s sad to know that some of these elitists are “adults”.
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And the normal raid is a test, that if you pass you can go on to heroic. Heroic raid is a test, that if you pass you can go on to mythic. Ever tier of raiding prepares you for the next tier.
And often it’s the only raiding some people can physically do. Age, physical limitations… all have a negative impact on the ability to keep up with the fast-paced raiding. LFR doesn’t have the mechanics that would cause some players to totally fail to be able to keep up with.
I used to be a hardcore raider, but time and burnout ended that. I found I couldn’t keep up with the demands of high end raiding due to slower reactions and not-as-agile fingers. But I’m just happy to still be playing WoW while 70+. It not only keeps my mind sharper, it’s a lot more fun than crochet ROFL.
Ah I see what you mean now. You basically said “The number “2” is a number.”
Thanks for your wisdom. 
Doesn’t most brewing happen in metal or wooden containers now?
I don’t know why the supposed ‘real raiders’ think LFR isn’t real raiding - when half the time said people are getting a carry from their guild group.
As I said in another thread…
I don’t consider guild groups as raiding - their groups are already preset and made up and they just invite and go straight in, like queued content. They should have to PUG and put together a whole new group every time they run in. You’d be all against that because getting carried would be harder and there’s nothing that sets you apart from any other pug hunter.
Did you know, anyone can get in on a mythic raid? Afk the whole time? All that matters is gold - so in reality, no rewards should be from ‘group content’ anymore because as stated by you and others ‘it’s too easy’.
Maybe the ‘normal+ is the only real raiding’ should stop looking down on people.
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Then stop doing that to troll those groups. The brain-dead idea that every LFR is 100% afk-ers, the boss suicides himself, and 100% of the players get amazing loot makes you look stupid.
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You can call it whatever you want. Its just much easier, you dont need to know any of the mechanics and you are guaranteed to win. Its like going to the game ranch and thinking you are really hunting. Then again, the rewards for LFR are a joke so it matches the difficulty.