Long Topic

[Rankin-shandris (Rankin)]

@Blasco-area-52

Part of what makes no-flying interesting is that you have to use alternative means to avoid enemies and obstacles.

And that ceases to be interesting when you’re doing any kind of repeatable content.

[Misery-darrowmere (Misery)]

@Rankin-shandris

@Blasco-area-52

Part of what makes no-flying interesting is that you have to use alternative means to avoid enemies and obstacles.

And that ceases to be interesting when you’re doing any kind of repeatable content.

Maybe they should just remove world content instead of removing flying.
Pretty much the only people who like the world content everyone denigrates as bad trash players anyway.

[Vararei-argent-dawn (Vararei)]

Choosing to fly is not a flying problem, it’s a choice problem. Evaluate why you’re choosing to do something you don’t like (eg, what are your goals), and make other choices (seek other goals). Personally, I don’t do anything in the game I don’t enjoy, and so I enjoy the game all the more.

[Uptime-caelestrasz (Uptime)]

@Vararei-argent-dawn

Choosing to fly is not a flying problem, it’s a choice problem. Evaluate why you’re choosing to do something you don’t like (eg, what are your goals), and make other choices (seek other goals).

No, that would involve ignoring the gameplay mechanics you don’t like instead of complaining about them on GD.

[Triadne-tanaris]

@Rankin-shandris

And that ceases to be interesting when you’re doing any kind of repeatable content.

This is a problem, and there needs to be another solution to this.
if blizzard content is so boring that the solution is to skip through it all, then this needs major rethink.
It’s like the old microtransaction argument. if your game is so grindy that you need to add in systems to skip the grind, then there is something major issue with your game. why is the game inherently ‘not fun’?

The solution is not to introduce a mechanic to let you skip boring game content.
The solution is to make the game interesting to play at all levels and areas.

[Edgyjojomeme-nathrezim]

I’m playing classic wow and i only wish i could fly. Walking adds nothing to the game, wpvp is as dead as in retail, lol.

[Rahkeetahp-aerie-peak]

FLYING RUINED THE GAME FOR ME

in BFA?
yeah. it does feel like a lot of work for very little return.

@Triadne-tanaris

in so far as the game shouldn’t make you feel like you want to skip over large sections of the world,

Amen to that.
Its almost ironic that in doing their best to keep me engaged, all theyve accomplished is making me NOT want to play their game, lol
Oddly, I could roll my 136th new character today at level one and go enjoy classic content again up thru mistd and love every second of it.
I literally am LOOKING for stuff to fight in that content.
Why?
Because it made it worth my time investment.
I dropped down on something in Northrend yesterday for craps and giggles.
know what dropped?
A green that was a mog I didnt have.
Know what I get 99.9% of the time when I kill something in BFA?
Gray crap trash that doesnt even pay the repair bill for fighting it.

As long as I have no motivation to fight all that stuff they fill the world with…Im going to stealth past it (precisely why Im taking druids into SLs, btw) get to point B, finish the objective and go turn in my quest at point A.
Then when Im done with current content I’ll go back and play on one of my lowbies where I can actually enjoy playing.

@Triadne-tanaris

my conclusion… on the level that I play the game at, flying ruins it. I’m not saying everyone is the same, far from it.

no…its more likely that once youve completed the game…as you pretty much need to to get flight…there just isnt much else left to do now.
So of course your bored and flight serves no purpose.

THAT is the problem with pathfinder.
You get flight when you really no longer need it, especially if youre the sort who mains one character and maybe has a single alt or so.

[Uptime-caelestrasz (Uptime)]

@Triadne-tanaris

It’s like the old microtransaction argument. if your game is so grindy that you need to add in systems to skip the grind, then there is something major issue with your game. why is the game inherently ‘not fun’?

Oddly enough, the games with those kinds of MTs in them (often mobile games) tend to be some of the most popular games in the world - and the figures prove this. I’m not arguing for such games, but it’s important to consider this when making a statement like yours.

[Rahkeetahp-aerie-peak]

@Edgyjojomeme-nathrezim

Walking adds nothing to the game,

well, like all cereal filler it does make one feel bloated but without any nutritional value.
That literally is the ONLY reason I dont play classic. The running.
Other than that I found it no harder than retail and actually it was quite fun making use of gray armor that dropped and the wands I bought from the AH.

[Misery-darrowmere (Misery)]

@Uptime-caelestrasz

@Triadne-tanaris

It’s like the old microtransaction argument. if your game is so grindy that you need to add in systems to skip the grind, then there is something major issue with your game. why is the game inherently ‘not fun’?

Oddly enough, the games with those kinds of MTs in them (often mobile games) tend to be some of the most popular games in the world - and the figures prove this. I’m not arguing for such games, but it’s important to consider this when making a statement like yours.

Well the commonality is that those types of games take advantage of flaws in human psychology, which is an argument anyone who is unsubtly pro-flight might want to avoid.

[Blasco-area-52 (Blasco)]

@Uptime-caelestrasz

Oddly enough, the games with those kinds of MTs in them (often mobile games) tend to be some of the most popular games in the world - and the figures prove this.

I mean, it makes sense why they would. Many games that rely on microtransactions are also free, so naturally it’s easier to get a lot of people into the game. WoW is special in that it uses microtransactions AND a sub fee AND buy to play, which imo is kinda terrible.

[Plantains-shattered-hand (Plantains)]

@Triadne-tanaris

I came back online a few days before the time ran out just to see if I could find any hope for me and maybe resubscribe… but I have to be honest, I am a human and I am lazy by nature and I could not simply run places knowing I can fly there. it is a paradox because I want the fun of trying to get to places, trying to navigate the environment. I like the challenge, but it is human nature to make things easier so if I can fly, I will do so. it’s like taking a car to the gym. I like exercise but I like convenience more.
Anyway, I wasn’t having fun any more so I let it run out.

After walking for so long on the ground I have the totally opposite experience. I do not think world ground travel is as interesting as you proclaim it to be. This game always has been about the raids, pvp, and dungeons for me. IE instanced content. World PVP can be fun but I do not sub for that because the servers cannot handle large scale world pvp. I like the fact that I can get dallies done faster. Its a huge chore to do dallies and grind instanced content. I prefer my challenge to be the content itself instead of the journey to the content.

[Uptime-caelestrasz (Uptime)]

@Blasco-area-52

WoW is special in that it uses microtransactions AND a sub fee AND buy to play, which imo is kinda terrible.

I do agree with this. At first I was against the idea of WoW becoming free to play - but now that the game has a sizeable amount of microtransactions as it is, you might as well admit your game has gone down that road of egregious monetary tactics, make your game free and then double down on your microtransactions. Blizzard is worse in this regard, for the reasons you mentioned in that you have to buy the game, pay for a subscription AND there are microtransactions, not to mention paid services as well.

[Misery-darrowmere (Misery)]

Back to the concept that, for subbers like you, and you are many; world content may as well not exist.
You’d be better off if WoW were like Vermintide 2 or Destiny 2.

[Triadne-tanaris]

@Plantains-shattered-hand

Its a huge chore to do dallies and grind instanced content.

I agree, but I don’t think the solution is to give us an ability to skip boring repetitive stuff as fast as possible, because it is just ‘busy work’.

[Ogodbeez-proudmoore]

For me, flying enhanced the game. I love to be able to soar around in the air and look for things from above, for quests and especially for exploration.

This is an invented issue whose solution is “don’t fly if you don’t want to.” You say that this isn’t an adequate response but it really is. Just because you don’t find something fun, you don’t get to take it away from people who enjoy it.

[Plantains-shattered-hand (Plantains)]

@Triadne-tanaris

I agree, but I don’t think the solution is to give us an ability to skip boring repetitive stuff as fast as possible, because it is just ‘busy work’.

“As fast as possible” …waits 14 months to get flying…

[Triadne-tanaris]

I was referring to your post where you outline your incentive to have flying.

[Falibor-sargeras]

@Asc-ravenholdt

PS don’t become a lawyer you’d be bad at it.

Oh nice an ad hominem, if you knew anything about refuting an argument, you would know not to use these.

You mostly attacked the person intead of adressing his points, which makes it evident it comes from a place of anger. Total loss of credibility.

[Marla-westfall]

The path of less resistance is not doing pathfinder for flying. It is going and playing another game.